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3/9/10

“Porn For Bibles” and How “Atheists Devise Creative New Way to Alienate People”

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  1. Wow, you just don't get it do you?

    The primary goal of this humorous exercise was to raise awareness of a guilt and fear free way of living life. A goal that you are playing into by writing about it. Thank you!

    Another goal was to provide some illumination that pornography is not nearly as misogynistic as all of the Abrahamic based religions. Pornography at least celebrates the beauty of the human form.

    Of course, if your goal is a puritanical theocracy, I can see why you are outraged.

    It is a publicity stunt aimed toward raising awareness of these issues. By the last count I saw, there had only been less than 20 religious texts exchanged, but much has been said and written about this legal activity.

    Thanks for spreading the word!

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  2. These particular Atheists are clever arent they.
    Do you really believe people will percieve this the way you do. Sigh

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  3. @Rex -

    "Pornography at least celebrates the beauty of the human form."

    Hmm... denigrates, more like.

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  4. >"Pornography at least celebrates the beauty of the human form."

    I reply: Then someone explain to me why the 20 something year old strippers & Prostitutes in my urban area look like they are in their 40's?

    Also as my wife reminds me it's not about "celebrating beauty" it's so a bunch of really lonely guys can wax the Dawkins.

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  5. The extremists get all the attention, don't they

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  6. Mariano wrote the following:

    Neither side should have to personally pay the price for the excesses of the antagonists who share their label.

    That's a nice thing to conclude your essay with. I would have worded it differently, however, something like "Debate tends to color issue in stark binary terms, when the real situation is often far less clear".

    Speak the word "atheist", and people will likely think "Richard Dawkins" or "New Atheism". Speak the word "Christianity" and you will indeed be inundated by images of Ted Haggard and Pat Robertson. Islam conjures holy warriors and terrorism.

    It's sad, but to be fair, the moderates (who I believe are the majority of atheists and christians and Muslims and Jews and {insert your favorite group here}) are generally quiet. They either don't care to comment, or they limit their opinions to conversations with friends.

    The moderates let the extremists do all the speaking.

    So, where does that leave us? I personally don't think of you as a moderate at all, Mariano, but for the sake of this discussion I'll concede the point. What should you and I do about the situation?

    The first thing to do is to start having moderate opinions. It's much more fun to comment on obviously ridiculous people/events, but doing only that makes us look less like moderates. We need to start spreading the moderate message, and spend less time whinging about extremist messages.

    I'm willing to start right now. How about you?

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  7. >We need to start spreading the moderate message, and spend less time whinging about extremist messages.

    I reply: Then I take it you will drop your support for "The Raytractors"?;-) Why spend time whining about that extremist eh?

    Actually reason dictates it should be rational Atheists who take the lead on the likes of Richard Dawkins, Myers & Co....

    Christians will take care of extremists in their ranks.

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  8. In keeping with the spirit of history's great atheist social programs, the Holy Books that are collected will be burned.

    Joking aside though, why didn't these stupid atheists simply pay people to hand in their Bibles and Qurans and donate the money to cancer reasearch? Where is this superior atheist moral compass we keep hearing about but never see evidence of?

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  9. Benyachov wrote the following to Whateverman: I reply: Then I take it you will drop your support for "The Raytractors"?;-) Why spend time whining about that extremist eh?

    You're absolutely correct about this. Our group started as a reaction to extremism, and although we have a lot of fun, we're doing exactly what I've suggested that we should STOP doing.

    Our current group still comments on Ray and the happenings at Ray's blog. Unlike the former Raytractors, however, we've expanded beyond him and even beyond religious fundamentalism. We talk politics and religion and science and silly stuff too.

    And if you read what I write there, you'll find that I actually do try to spread moderate ideas.

    Your point is well taken, though. If Mariano is willing to change how he writes online, I will be as well.

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  10. There are moderate atheists.

    A group of them had a policy input meeting with The President's advisers just last week. They dress professionally and conservatively, and they speak the language of political insiders. They reported that, not only were their concerns well received, but the meeting went very well and that both sides were very much looking forward to more such meetings in the future.

    However, the firebrands have their uses too. They inflame and draw attention to issues. They bring those issues to the minds of millions in simple terms, so that discussions can follow. They raise awareness that organizations without religion exist so that the millions of non believers can find a community, and a voice.

    Above all of that, they test the waters for public reaction. Personally, I think it is a great strategy to pretend to be fragmented and back biting each other, right up to the point that we have public opinion right where we want it, then with one vote and one voice, religion is ousted from public life forever!

    Keep praying while we are working, and we will see whose goals come to fruition first.

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  11. >Our current group still comments on Ray and the happenings at Ray's blog. Unlike the former Raytractors, however, we've expanded beyond him and even beyond religious fundamentalism. We talk politics and religion and science and silly stuff too.

    I reply: Sounds interesting.


    >And if you read what I write there, you'll find that I actually do try to spread moderate ideas.

    I reply: I prefer orthodoxy & reason to either liberal, moderate or fundamentalist ideas. Still it is good for you to move away from fundamentalist atheism.

    >Your point is well taken, though. If Mariano is willing to change how he writes online, I will be as well.

    I reply: Mariano is an Evangelical Protestant (for lack of a better term) & I am a traditional Catholic(for the same). He will do what he thinks or feels the Lord wants him to do.

    Still reason is it's own reward. Thus you should for your own sake & benefit reject New Atheist extremism in favor of a more rational approach to non-belief. Like I said Atheists should take the lead against New Atheist Fundamentalist extremists.

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  12. with one vote and one voice, religion is ousted from public life forever!

    And people wonder why atheism gets associated with the less savory shenanigans of various Communist/dictatorial regimes on a fairly regular basis.

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  13. Agreed its most recent sects wreak totalitarianism.

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