This post has been moved to True Freethinker where it was posted at this link.
'Without a god, why be good at all?' could quite easily have been re-phrased to ask: 'Without Tlaloc (or Athena, Thor, Jupiter...), why be good at all?'My question is - why do you believe the Judeo-Christian god to be more plausible than all the others that were ever created in Man's image?As for needing to be a believer in order to be good, well, that's just such a load of absolute rubbish! I am a non-believer who does what is good not because of any potential adverse consequences, but because I have a conscience and can empathise with others. I know what it is like to be the target of unjust/abusive/cruel behaviour from others, and know from personal experience that I would much rather be treated decently.On the other hand, people who only do the right thing because they fear the eternal damnation of hell, would have to be the most immoral people of all, simply because they are choosing to do what is right not because it is inherently right, but because they feel threatened by an imaginary cosmic bully who needs to be placated. Conclusion: Atheists are far more ethical and moral than Christians, for their motives are purer.
You've probably been asked this before, but I have a general question: Why is this blog titled "Atheism is Dead?" There still exist plenty of atheists, and their numbers are growing, according to recent polls.(The number of hardcore Christians seems to be growing too, and likewise the number of people of other religions, all at the expense of middle-of-the-road Christians.)
I'm gonna try to answer both questions:Petrovich:To your first statement I don't think thats even relevant to the subject at hand so If anyone else wants to tackle it fine. But If you ask me specifically I'll answer.Second statement, he doesn't state you have to be a believer to me moral, the article does not once ever use that phrase or anything like it. He merely states that when you have a belief system behind you your actions are more accountable than when you have a lack of belief system in fact Mariano says:++"Thus, “whether people are raised Jews, Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Confucianists, humanists, anything else, or nothing in particular” God has not left them unguided and has written His law in their hearts and minds."++Which would duly account for your concious then.Your third statement has been adressed multiple times on this blog and by many modern courts. I don't speed because I can get a fine, but also because I might be putting myself or others in danger. There are two sides to this. Simply saying that Christians do it because they are afraid of hell is missing the mark and quite stupid.Your conclusion is similarily stupid and I'm not afraid to say that at all. Claiming one group of humans is more moral than the other is like claiming one type of cancer is better to have.Diane Vera:I'm interested in what polls you have. Every poll ive seen recently has said otherwise, the Encyclopedia Britannica megacensus of religion(which takes place every four years when they release a new volume) placed atheists at having 2.4 of the worlds population in 2005, in 2009 it was at 2.1.
Anonymous:'To your first statement I don't think thats even relevant to the subject at hand so If anyone else wants to tackle it fine. But If you ask me specifically I'll answer.'...and then you don't answer it.'Second statement, he doesn't state you have to be a believer to me moral, the article does not once ever use that phrase or anything like it.'Nevertheless, the assumption is there. Why else would Mariano have written such rubbish? His principal agenda, through the utter bilge that he writes, is to try to prove the superiority of Christianity (good luck with that, he'll really need it).'He merely states that when you have a belief system behind you your actions are more accountable than when you have a lack of belief system'Exactly! That is what I pointed out, this is the claim that is made, and I found it to be extremely offensive and insulting. I, personally, don't have a belief system to fall back on when things are not going so well (or even when they are), because I have far too much integrity to tell lies to myself about an invisible, angry sky-daddy. Not believing in fairy-tales does not make me a bad person, it makes me a GOOD person because I am not afraid to confront reality as it is, and accept that reality.As I said before, atheists do what is right because it is right, but Christians are inherently bad people because, by implication, if they did not believe in the invisible old tyrant in the sky they would have nothing to restrain them from committing atrocities - heck, even when they DO sincerely beleive, they are still dangerous and anti-social (ex. idiot Christophiles killing family-planning doctors in the hick, deep South).
Petrovitch: very well said comrade! This was a nice conclusion to the laughs I got reading the original blog post.
To the Anonymous above (quick question: why hide your identity? so much for being tough.. anyway). To your defense of the "atheism is dead" statement, I say just as misguided as the religious edict you happen/chose to subjugate yourself to. As of the latest polls by ARIS (google):* 86% of American adults identified asChristians in 1990 and 76% in 2008. To translate: that's a 10% drop, or nearly 30+ Million people turning over. Quite some change I should say. If your body was dying at similar rate, you wouldn't be alive for much too long. * The "Nones" (no stated religiouspreference, atheist, or agnostic)continue to grow, though at a muchslower pace than in the 1990s, from8.2% in 1990, to 14.1% in 2001, to15.0% in 2008. * One sign of the lack of attachment ofAmericans to religion is that 27% do notexpect a religious funeral at their death. Conclusion:- Atheism is proliferating and growing as is to be expected with increased public knowledge and understanding of the surrounding world through science (and common sense). We are moving on and away from the Dark Ages after all.. well at least some of us.- Religion (of which Christianity is but a small part) is and will continually be a dying out species. If it weren't so, you wouldn't be fighting so hard to defend it. Unlike folks like you, non-belief doesn't require any defense. Just like I do not feel obligated trying to deny existence of the Santa Claus..And hey, don't be shy to admit you've been wrong all these years. It is only mature to admit once mistakes. I've been mistaken about my former religion of Christianity most of my life as well. No shame in quitting when you know it's all but quick sand.
Hahahahahahahahahah! What could Atheism - which rejects the Principle of Causality - possibly have in common with science or logic? Hahahahahahahahahahaha!