11/20/09

Deceptive Manipulative Propagandist Activist Atheists are at it Again – Unbeknownst to them: their New Ads Compliment Christianity

Studies consistently demonstrate that atheists are, by a very very wide margin, the least charitable amongst us. Yet, Ariane Sherine and the British Humanist Association have conducted hugely successful donation drives. Are they the exception to the self-absorbed atheist greed meme?

Not in the least bit. Yet again, atheists are collecting “amazing sums” during a time of worldwide recession not in order to help anyone in real material need but in order to attempt to demonstrate just how clever they consider themselves to be—while actually loudly, proudly and expensively demonstrating their ignorance and arrogance.

Atheist activist Ariane Sherine was the “brains” behind some of the recent embarrassments which were publicly advertised in the form of bus ads and bill boards. As these ads represented well-within-the-box-atheist-group-think they were, predictably, illogical, presumptuous and pompous.

As “the final phase of the atheist bus campaign…in London, Edinburgh, Cardiff and Belfast” is coming to a close Ariane Sherine asked her adherents what they could further do with the “amazing sums donated to the campaign fund.”[1]

Surely, some said, “How about feeding the hungry, housing the homeless, funding hospitals, establishing adoption agencies, opposing abortion” or any of a billion humanitarian options. But the overwhelming response was they the money was needed to fund atheist propaganda based on misinformation and common misconceptions due to relying heavily on atheist talking points and lightly on those bothersome facts such as are readily discernable when stopping to actually understand the issues at hand.
She writes,

…we asked how the extra funds should be spent, one of the issues which came up repeatedly in the comments concerned the growth of of faith schools in the UK and the segregation of children according to their parents' beliefs. Many of you felt strongly that children should be given the freedom to decide which belief system they wanted to belong to, if any, and that they should not have a religion decided for them….The atheist campaign team shared this point of view.

The new ads, which feature a 7 and 8 year old child state, “Please don’t label me. Let me grow up and choose for myself” with a background stating, “Mormon child,” “Marxist child,” “Zoroastrian child,” “Buddhist child,” “Catholic child,” “Agnostic child,” etc.


Ariane Sherine claims that this latest atheist propaganda is meant to:
try and change the current public perception that it is acceptable to label children with a religion. As Richard Dawkins states, "Nobody would seriously describe a tiny child as a 'Marxist child' or an 'Anarchist child' or a 'Post-modernist child'. Yet children are routinely labelled with the religion of their parents. We need to encourage people to think carefully before labelling any child too young to know their own opinions, and our adverts will help to do that.

I have covered this issue variously as UK atheist propagandists influenced USA atheist propagandists until in various countries atheists were wasting money on patting themselves in the backs. Just read some of their slogans in my past essays to see that which they consider clever; I am actually embarrassed for them yet, I understand that one of atheism’s consoling delusions is the delusion of being more erudite than thou.

This is merely another sham and a scam as atheist activists are doing what they do best: 1) playing the underdog victim, 2) begging for donations, 3) not being charitable to people in real tangible need, 4) openly displaying their ignorance and arrogance and 5) making their livelihood by condemning others since they think that they are right and everyone else is wrong.

Before getting to a more riotous aspect of the ads themselves let us hit some key points:

1) Such atheist activists seem to overlook the fact that children sometimes are referred to by such labels due to cultural and or social consid­erations and not theological. For instance, Judaism has a Bar/Bat Mitzvah when a child becomes a willing/thinking adult and decides to make a commitment to the faith. Likewise, various forms of Christianity have confirmation. Etc.

2) Richard Dawkins is a supporter of the atheist indoctrination summer camp for children “Camp Quest” (see here for atheism/children related essays including dissections of Camp Quest).

3) Dawkins’ purpose is not this sham of pure freedom but he envisages “society stepping in,”[2] and standing between you and your children. This is not about intellectual freedom but about indoctrinating children into atheism under the thinly veneered disguise of “science,” “evolution,” or education and freedom as Dawkins has expressed that his dictating to the parents of the world how to raise their children “might lead children to choose no religion at all.”[3]

4) For quite some time Dawkins has refused to debate various worthy opponents and so he absconds to attempt to influence the college crowd or much younger children.
He told a group of children “We are machines built by DNA whose purpose is to make more copies of the same DNA…It is every living object's sole reason for living.’”[4] And another group of children, “Put your trust in the scientific method, put your faith in scientific method.”[5]
What is wrong with that? For one, to him “science” and “evolution” are synonymous with atheism. He actually pulled the wool over the children’s eyes as he sought to prove why they could have faith/trust in science by a hard-science demonstration while he is involved in a soft-science that is riddled with quaint Victorian Era tall tales as evidence is interpreted via schools of thought and manipulated to fit the theory (multitudinous evidence is found here).

5) Philip Pullman, the author of “The Golden Compass” related books, chimed in to state, “It is absolutely right that we shouldn’t label children until they are old enough to decide for themselves.” Pullman write perfectly innocent fictional books for little children—right?
He has stated, “I don't think I'm writing fantasy. I think I'm writing realism. My books are psychologically real.”[6] But what does he really write about? As he has admitted, “My books are about killing God” and “I'm trying to undermine the basis of Christian belief.”

Bottom line: these activists atheist are very good at media campaigns, mostly due to the media’s complicity, and are two faced: one face is the concerned intellectual and the other the zealous atheist out to convert little children, interfere with your parenting, and make a living by expressing prejudice.

Now, what about the ads themselves? What of the children…the children? Well, the actual children in the ads are the children of one of the UK’s “most devout Christian families” and their father, Brad Mason, “is something of a celebrity within evangelical circles.”[7]


Daddy has stated:
It is quite funny, because obviously they were searching for images of children that looked happy and free. They happened to choose children who are Christian. It is ironic. The humanists obviously did not know the background of these children…
Obviously there is something in their faces which is different. So they judged that they were happy and free without knowing that they are Christians. That is quite a compliment. I reckon it shows we have brought up our children in a good way and that they are happy.

Leader of the Pioneer network of churches, Gerald Coates noted, “I think it is hilarious that the happy and liberated children on the atheist poster are in fact Christian.”

Always ready to miss the point and counter-argue against that which no one has argued, Andrew Copson, The British Humanist Association’s “education” director stated:
That’s one of the points of our campaign…People who criticise us for saying that children raised in religious families won’t be happy, or that no child should have any contact with religion, should take the time to read the adverts. The message is that the labelling of children by their parents’ religion fails to respect the rights of the child and their autonomy. We are saying that religions and philosophies — and ‘humanist’ is one of the labels we use on our poster — should not be foisted on or assumed of young children.

The use of their images came about due to a randomly accidental coincidence—yeah, right; no God here, keep moving along and pay no attention—since their daddy who is also a photographer had uploaded their images to a website that photographers use in order to sell images to designers.

Well, atheist activists; keep on throwing money away whilst elbowing each other in the ribs as we discern your lack of charity and manipulative propaganda. You discredit yourselves by merely being left to speak out as loudly and often as you please so, please do keep it up, we hear you loud and clear.

[1] Ariane Sherine, “Hey, preacher – leave those kids alone,” The Guardian, November 18, 2009
[2] During his interview with Gary Wolf, “The Church of the Non-Believers”: here or here
[3] Richard Dawkins, Now Here’s a Bright Idea
[4] Nick Pollard talks to Dr. Richard Dawkins (interviewed February 28th, 1995 published in Third Way in the April 1995 edition [vol 18 no. 3])
[5] Stated during his “Royal Institute of Christmas Lectures” 1991 aka “Growing Up in the Universe.”
[6] New York Magazine, Philip Pullman Realizes ‘Killing God’ Not the Ideal Sales Pitch
[7] Ruth Gledhill, “Children who front Richard Dawkins' atheist ads are evangelicals,” Time Online, November 21, 2009

21 comments:

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  2. Mariano,

    You said that the humanist education director missed the point, but then what is the point? Isn't the point that it is ironic for atheists to choose children raised in a devoutly religious family for their billboard? But why would it be ironic unless the campaign was misunderstood to be besmirching Christians or telling them not to raise their children in a religious environment. You don't really think that these children are happy specifically because they have been labelled as "Christian children" instead of "children raised Christian", do you?

    I guess that I lack a sense of irony or something. Can you spell it out for simpletons like me? Where is the irony?

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  3. That's odd DontGetit, you seem to have linked your name to our blog?

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  4. It is actaully pretty funny that those children were from a Christian family, but it does help to highlight the point that they shouldn't be labelled as 'Christians' before they've had a chance to decide for themselves. A point the Mr Mason seems to miss in his statement. Now that's ironic. I made a longer post at
    http://tinyurl.com/y9m4t83

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  5. There isn't a shred of objectivity here. From your very title, it shows a skewed way of thinking. All that really needed to be said was "Atheist New Ads Compliment Christianity."

    You are so scared of what the Atheists are saying that you've stopped listening all together and are jumping to conclusions. Personally, I don't think it's a good idea to indoctrinate Children whether they be Christian, Muslim, Jewish or any other kind of religion. There are basic points that should be taught to the child, all children should be made aware of these religions, but the choice should not come until they are much older. You mentioned Bar Mitzvah's and Confirmation, but I find that making the choice to commit to the Jewish or Christian faith after being raised as Jewish or Christian is a pretty lacklustre one.

    I don't know how you can see this as indoctrinating children compared to the myriad of Christian programs and camps that do just that. Sunday School is indoctrinating children, bringing them to church is indoctrinating them into your religion and your way of life. At least with the Atheist way, they'd have more of a choice.

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  6. First of all, charity must come from one's sense of empathy. One's specific religion and philosophy has little to nothing to do with it. You either feel empathy toward other life or you do not, very much like one hears a sound or one does not. This is very much evident in the fact there are empathic atheists and christians or other monotheists seemingly with no empathy at all. At any rate, charity can only be what one chooses to do. "Compulsory charity" is a contradiction. It isn't something does because one is compelled physically or coerced in other ways. You cannot command charity and brow-beating an individual or group of individuals to act charitably is decidedly uncharitable and isn't likely to get what it is you're looking for. Suffice to say, if an individuals' sense of empathy is strong, it's likely they behave compassionately and charitably quite frequently and on their own terms. If they have no sense of empathy or a very weak one, no religious or governmental commandment is going to induce compassion or charity within them. If they do, in fact, give from their own time, energy and resources, it will be an act of compliance, not charity.

    At any rate, it's a myth that "atheists" aren't or are less likely to be charitable. There are, in fact, some very notable "atheist" or atheistic persons who are incredibly charitable - The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and Warren Buffett are just two who come to mind. Their particular charities are in the billions of dollars. I'm certain, if one had the will to do so, one could compile a growing list of charitable atheists ... if that were one's honest goal.

    Honest goals aren't altogether common among theists.

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  7. Ignoring most of the rubbish you have said here...

    ...if Christianity was so obviously true and wonderful, free-thinking people would flock to it.

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  8. Lol. And this article isnt propaganda for religion? Clearly, you have no understanding of athiesm and are threatened by the FACT that the apocalypse will never come, that the world is older than the bible says (re: DINOSAURS), and the whole scam that is religion and churches may stop making fat-cat televangelists rich.

    Honestly, is it so bad to finally realize that you've been scammed your entiure life by religious propaganda? My girlfreind is a RECOVERING Catholic, who finally read a book that didnt fill her head with self loathing, guilt, and sin. The Bible has some historical nuggets of truth in it, but the fundamental belief that the world was created in 7 days, that humans were created in Gods image (which race I wonder is it that YOU picture god as being?), and that the world will end in (oh what was it? 1999? 2000? 2002? 2012? when will your vaunted prophecies get this RIGHT?).

    Religion is BS, and finally Dawkins is trying to get peoples heads out of thei @$$3$. Boy you guys are thick.

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  9. After seeing your comment on my blog post (http://thomcummings.wordpress.com/2009/11/27/why-wont-somebody-think-of-the-children/) I'd thought that I'd come over here and answer some of your rational arguments against the Don't Label Me campaign. But it seems you don't have any at all.

    The other commenters are doing a good enough job to point out all the holes and misleading logic in your post that there's not much left for me to do. I think Edward Baker says it best.

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  10. Would you consider joining a Yahoo group that we could have correspondence?

    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/christianvsatheist/

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  11. Anonymous said... Religion is BS, and finally Dawkins is trying to get peoples heads out of thei @$$3$. Boy you guys are thick.

    Speaking of thick...

    Stein - "So you believe it is liberating to tell people there is no God?"

    Dawkins-"I think a lot of people when they give up God feel a great sense of
    release and freedom."

    Stein- "Why do you tink that? You're a scientist, what's your data?"

    Dawkins-"Well, I've had a lot of letters saying that."

    LOL , I bet dawkins gets a lot of letters telling him he is an idiot as well,
    something tells me they were'nt part of the control group :p

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlZtEjtlirc

    @ 1:30

    Stein-"There are eight billion people in the world Mr. Dawkins."

    Dawkins - "Yeah, I know, I know, I know. I know." .

    Stein continues - "Professor Dawkins seems so convinced that God doesn't exist
    that I wondered if he was willing to put a number on it."

    Dawkins - "Well, it's hard to put a figure on it but I'd put it as something
    like 99% against."

    Stein - "How do you know it's 99% against and not something like 97%?"

    Dawkins - "You asked me to put a figure on it and I'm not comfortable putting a
    figure on it. I think it's just very unlikely."

    Stein - "But you couldn't put a number on it?"

    Dawkins - Of course not."

    Stein - "So, it could be 49%."

    Dawkins - "Well, I think it's unlikely and quite far from 50%."

    Stein - "How do you know?"

    Dawkins - "I don't know.


    LOL very scientific richard

    IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHERE DAWKINS GETS HIS FACTS AND FIGURES

    http://tinyurl.com/yz9z2jv


    Stein - "Well then who did create the heavens and the earth?"

    Dawkins - "Why do you use the word "who?" You see you automatically beg the
    question by using the word who."

    Stein - "Well, then how did it get created?"

    Dawkins - "Well, um, by a very slow process."


    LOL Fermentation maybe ? Perhaps aged ?

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  12. Certainly not by a man in the sky!!

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  13. communist Nazis and atheists are both the same. even without religion people will find a way to fight.At least religion teaches morals, unlike my atheist counter parts. I respect agnostics for they are much more brighter than those brain dead atheists, who think they know everything.They try to control people to and make false things up about religion to have a bit of a laugh when in fact it's very hurtful. They have no respect for human life what so ever.Let them take over and democracy is dead as we know it. say good by to secular society and hello to dictatorship.I also just love the way they try to rig people in with false facts and lies. They have as much blood on their hands as anyone else in this world. Evolution doesn't disprove the existence of god, in fact it encourages it in a lot of ways. Like Einstein said science without religion is lame, religion without science is boring. We have contributed to the world more them you guy's ever have. the world's most influential people are religious deal with it.

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  14. An atheist is just someone who doesn't believe in god. A lack of theology - but what of it? Do you imagine they are all the same? Where is your love from Jesus? Turning the other cheek?

    Why are you so scared of them if you're so right?

    I have taught in Catholic schools and was raised as a devout evangelical Christian.

    Because I believed so much the first book I ever bought myself was my bible.
    I lost my faith at 11 years old when I read that book cover to cover and asked more and more questions. My pastor, the elders and the sunday school teachers did not have answers for me. In the end Christianity's only answer was "please stop to think"... in the form of the words sighed at me over and over "believe and be baptized". I could not simply believe... because if it was the truth there would be evidence and this book would make sense.

    I would argue that you sir, have a great depth of feeling. That the magical awe of standing in a crowd of people who all agree with you and singing together gives you shivers down your spine. But I learned that this was just human and I could have the same feeling at a football game.

    I learned that I didn't really understand evolution... because none of the other religious people around me understood it either. I imagined that it said we came from monkeys which I still find a ridiculous idea. I didn't even know that science doesn't show we came from monkeys. I was looking for evidence. The best evidence we have from many biological sources not just fossils showed that we share a common ancestor separated by millions of years. That there have been all kinds of humans before us. It also showed that monkeys and other apes have been evolving too. That no life on earth stays the same... that everything changes and is part of a process of change. In that way I came to an understanding that all life on earth is part of a great family tree and I feel even more connected to and amazed by life on this planet than ever.

    I also understand the immense feeling of community that the Church can possess. However it also can and does let in everyone who will come. Sometimes people who abuse children will hide behind the mask of morality. I thought that the only way you could be a good person was to believe in Jesus.

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  15. An atheist is just someone who doesn't believe in god. A lack of theology - but what of it? Do you imagine they are all the same? Where is your love from Jesus? Turning the other cheek?

    Why are you so scared of them if you're so right?

    I have taught in Catholic schools and was raised as a devout evangelical Christian.

    Because I believed so much the first book I ever bought myself was my bible.
    I lost my faith at 11 years old when I read that book cover to cover and asked more and more questions. My pastor, the elders and the sunday school teachers did not have answers for me. In the end Christianity's only answer was "please stop to think"... in the form of the words sighed at me over and over "believe and be baptized". I could not simply believe... because if it was the truth there would be evidence and this book would make sense.

    I would argue that you sir, have a great depth of feeling. That the magical awe of standing in a crowd of people who all agree with you and singing together gives you shivers down your spine. But I learned that this was just human and I could have the same feeling at a football game.

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  16. I learned that I didn't really understand evolution... because none of the other religious people around me understood it either. I imagined that it said we came from monkeys which I still find a ridiculous idea. I didn't even know that science doesn't show we came from monkeys. I was looking for evidence. The best evidence we have from many biological sources not just fossils showed that we share a common ancestor separated by millions of years. That there have been all kinds of humans before us. It also showed that monkeys and other apes have been evolving too. That no life on earth stays the same... that everything changes and is part of a process of change. In that way I came to an understanding that all life on earth is part of a great family tree and I feel even more connected to and amazed by life on this planet than ever.

    I also understand the immense feeling of community that the Church can possess. However it also can and does let in everyone who will come. Sometimes people who abuse children will hide behind the mask of morality. I thought that the only way you could be a good person was to believe in Jesus.

    I learnt that you don't need religion to have morality. I couldn't have imagined it before so I understand where you're coming from. I was lucky that when I left my church I met lots of people in the secular world. No-one guided me to giving up god. It wasn't hard to stop to believe in an external sense of all good when also I stopped to believe in an external sense of all bad. Evil was demystified for me - evil is hurt mindlessly perpetrating hurt - not something impossible to fight. There was a hopelessness under all that conviction about healing... I knew several people with mental health issues in the Church who were not "cured" by god.

    It hurt to give up my religion. It was hard not to be part of a group anymore. Most people who don't believe in god aren't part of some group. In fact it is people like you that have caused Atheists to come together. People like me are usually quite happy believing as we like and living our lives. Besides the fact we don't believe in god Richard Dawkins and I might have had little in common. I find him rather spiky at times... and I don't have a dogged unquestioning loyalty to anyone. If I agree with something someone says it is not simply because of who they are. When people who choose not to have faith started to be attacked they started to come together for support. This is why you get militant Atheists in America because they weren't just left alone in the general populous like in other places.

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  17. I learned that I didn't really understand evolution... because none of the other religious people around me understood it either. I imagined that it said we came from monkeys which I still find a ridiculous idea. I didn't even know that science doesn't show we came from monkeys. I was looking for evidence. The best evidence we have from many biological sources not just fossils showed that we share a common ancestor separated by millions of years. That there have been all kinds of humans before us. It also showed that monkeys and other apes have been evolving too. That no life on earth stays the same... that everything changes and is part of a process of change. In that way I came to an understanding that all life on earth is part of a great family tree and I feel even more connected to and amazed by life on this planet than ever.

    I also understand the immense feeling of community that the Church can possess. However it also can and does let in everyone who will come. Sometimes people who abuse children will hide behind the mask of morality. I thought that the only way you could be a good person was to believe in Jesus.

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  18. I learnt that you don't need religion to have morality. I couldn't have imagined it before so I understand where you're coming from. I was lucky that when I left my church I met lots of people in the secular world. No-one guided me to giving up god. It wasn't hard to stop to believe in an external sense of all good when also I stopped to believe in an external sense of all bad. Evil was demystified for me - evil is hurt mindlessly perpetrating hurt - not something impossible to fight. There was a hopelessness under all that conviction about healing... I knew several people with mental health issues in the Church who were not "cured" by god.

    It hurt to give up my religion. It was hard not to be part of a group anymore. Most people who don't believe in god aren't part of some group. In fact it is people like you that have caused Atheists to come together. People like me are usually quite happy believing as we like and living our lives. Besides the fact we don't believe in god Richard Dawkins and I might have had little in common. I find him rather spiky at times... and I don't have a dogged unquestioning loyalty to anyone. If I agree with something someone says it is not simply because of who they are. When people who choose not to have faith started to be attacked they started to come together for support. This is why you get militant Atheists in America because they weren't just left alone in the general populous like in other places.

    I am no less charitable now than I was before. In fact now I believe I only have one existence and there is nothing after, it is pivotal to me to enjoy my time on this beautiful fragile planet and use this limited existence to learn, share, and help others as much as I can.

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  19. I am sure you realize, but refuse to mention, for the sake of YOUR propaganda, that this is indeed money well-spent, and not frivolous self-promotion. This is akin to any other PSA you have ever seen. It is promoting a different way of thinking. "Perhaps," someone may consider, "I have been looking at my child in the wrong way. Perhaps he is not a blank slate to be written upon by me, but by himself. Perhaps it is even a form of child abuse to tell kids stories that we believe, admittedly, on no evidence but faith. Perhaps it is wrong to threaten them with eternal torture right off the bat. Maybe we should allow them to explore other points of view before scaring the shit out of them and (often, not always) turning them into little hate mongers against people who do not feel exactly as we do. Perhaps..." If getting people to think is so bad, one might wonder what conclusions, exactly, you were afraid they will come to...

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  20. Adults with imaginary friends are STUPID... c",)

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  21. I'm sorry but there is no logic in Christianity... they are just scared of the afterlife and want something to believe in. Which we would be okay with if you didn't force your opinions on EVERYONE, and impact on the running of the country and peoples HUMAN RIGHTS. Atheists wouldn't press this issue if we didn't get Jehovahs Witnesses banging on our doors asking us about God etc. And frankly don't bother with the bible, because if you had actually read the entire thing you would know it is utter poppycock, nobody follows it exactly because it doesn't make sense, for example i have never met or heard of a single Christian who only wears clothing made from single materials. There are so many reasons why Christianity is utter rubbish but i'm not going to go into it right now because you seem particularly stubborn to make us seem like the bad guys when you are the ones forcing this make-believe world on young children.Anyway i will stop there before i get too angry...

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