7/25/09

EvilBible.com is Dead

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82 comments:

  1. you suck ass you morons youre so stupid and youre wrong about everything

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    1. You are who people look at when they see atheists. The idiots are who people remember, not the intelligent people...

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  2. Thank you so much for checking in and for the comment.

    aDios,
    Mariano

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  3. @XAtheistX What no witty comeback? No rebuttal? No substantive demonstration that anything Mariano has written is mistaken? Name calling you've got. No good arguments, though.

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  4. Your post title, "EvilBible.com is dead" and your line, "Yes, EvilBible.com had its fun, had its say and now has given up the ghost," imply to this reader that the website, evilbible.com, is no more. But I just went to its main page a minute ago. Did it rise in response to your epitath??

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  5. It didn't do anything in response to the utter destruction of criticism it has suffered at our hands. That's kinda the point.

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  6. I wonder what Mariano will claim is dead next? trees? air? insects? the moon? This blog is silly.

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  7. Of course, the Codex Sinaiticus shows the bible in the process of yet *another* revision, and Bart Ehrman has debunked 19 of 27 New Testament books as forgeries. (http://edition.cnn.com/2009/LIVING/05/15/bible.critic/)

    Still, I suppose there are experts on Tolkien's fiction too...

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  8. You've probably noticed that you've been banned from the Dawkins forum for spamming. Perhaps next time you'll try and take the time to present your arguments properly rather than cut & paste the same text on multiple threads. Of course, that would only apply if you intended to take a part in an intelligent discussion of your position...

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  9. Has it been ressurected? Is this some strange irony where we find that evilbible.com is actually jesus?

    The website is one among hundreds of sites promoting free thought. While admittedly people who are not bound to the bible and attempt to help people out of their naivety often succumb to the very same missteps that those who bow before god make.

    The truth is that all those sites and all them bible thumpers sure do love to argue about nothing at all since debating the bible means debating specific translations, versions and religious sources.


    Atheists and Theists....all fools.

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  10. "Whilst besmirching the Bible for allegedly commanding human sacrifice evilbible.com, for some odd reason, neglects to mention that the Bible does not command but condemns human sacrifice. Evilbible.com, for some odd reason, neglects to mention that when the Bible reports that human sacrifices did take place they were carried out by Gentile Pagans who were not worshiping the God of the Bible but various false gods."

    Methinks you need to read Judges chapter 11 verses 29-39:

    29Then the Spirit of the LORD came upon Jephthah, and he passed over Gilead, and Manasseh, and passed over Mizpeh of Gilead, and from Mizpeh of Gilead he passed over unto the children of Ammon.

    30And Jephthah vowed a vow unto the LORD, and said, If thou shalt without fail deliver the children of Ammon into mine hands,

    31Then it shall be, that whatsoever cometh forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall surely be the LORD's, and I will offer it up for a burnt offering.

    32So Jephthah passed over unto the children of Ammon to fight against them; and the LORD delivered them into his hands.

    33And he smote them from Aroer, even till thou come to Minnith, even twenty cities, and unto the plain of the vineyards, with a very great slaughter. Thus the children of Ammon were subdued before the children of Israel.

    34And Jephthah came to Mizpeh unto his house, and, behold, his daughter came out to meet him with timbrels and with dances: and she was his only child; beside her he had neither son nor daughter.

    35And it came to pass, when he saw her, that he rent his clothes, and said, Alas, my daughter! thou hast brought me very low, and thou art one of them that trouble me: for I have opened my mouth unto the LORD, and I cannot go back.

    36And she said unto him, My father, if thou hast opened thy mouth unto the LORD, do to me according to that which hath proceeded out of thy mouth; forasmuch as the LORD hath taken vengeance for thee of thine enemies, even of the children of Ammon.

    37And she said unto her father, Let this thing be done for me: let me alone two months, that I may go up and down upon the mountains, and bewail my virginity, I and my fellows.

    38And he said, Go. And he sent her away for two months: and she went with her companions, and bewailed her virginity upon the mountains.

    39And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed: and she knew no man. And it was a custom in Israel

    Whoops!

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  11. Ho-hum.

    Another spammer lying for Jesus.

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  12. It just means Jephthah "sacrificed" his daughter by keeping her a virgin her whole life. Not by killing her.

    Anyway God never told Jephthah to sacrifice anything in the first place & since he was a Gentile & not a Cohen he had no business usurping the job of God's Priests to offer the correct sacrifices in the correct manner.

    So it's his fault not God's.

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  13. You must not worship the LORD your God in their way, because in worshiping their gods, they do all kinds of detestable things the LORD hates. They even burn their sons and daughters in the fire as sacrifices to their gods.
    -Deuteronomy 12:31

    Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft,
    -Deuteronomy 18:10

    It would be weird for Jephthah to think that he could elicit God’s help during war by promising to offer Him a human sacrifice, that is, to do something that was in direct violation of the Torah. Such a proposal would be equivalent to a person requesting God’s blessing and assistance by offering to build a statue to Baal or the Temple.

    To quote Apologetics Press
    "Jephthah’s action may best be understood by recognizing that he was using ‘olah in a figurative sense. We use the term “sacrifice” in a similar fashion when we say, “I’ll sacrifice a few dollars for that charity.” Jephthah was offering to sacrifice a member of his extended household to permanent, religious service associated with the Tabernacle. The Bible indicates that such non-priestly service was available, particularly to women who chose to so dedicate themselves (e.g., Exodus 38:8). [Sadly, Eli’s sons were guilty of taking sexual liberties with them (1 Samuel 2:22).] Even in the first century, Anna must have been one woman who had dedicated herself to the Lord’s service, since she “did not depart from the temple” (Luke 2:37).

    Several contextual indicators support this conclusion. First, the two-month period of mourning that Jephthah granted to his daughter was not for the purpose of grieving over her impending loss of life, but over the fact that she would never be able to marry. She bewailed her virginity (bethulim)—not her death (11:37).

    Second, the text goes out of its way to state that Jephthah had no other children: “[S]he was his only child. Besides her he had neither son nor daughter” (11:34). For his daughter to be consigned to perpetual celibacy meant the extinction of Jephthah’s family line—an extremely serious and tragic matter to an Israelite (cf. Numbers 27:1-11; 36:1ff.). Third, the sacrifice is treated as unfortunate—again, not because of any concern over her death, but because she would not become a mother. After stating that Jephthah “did with her according to his vow which he had vowed,” the inspired writer immediately adds, “and knew no man” (11:39). This statement would be a completely superfluous and callous remark if she had been put to death. Fourth, the declaration of Jephthah’s own sorrow (11:35) follows immediately after we are informed that he had no other children (11:34). Jephthah was not upset because his daughter would die a virgin. He was upset because she would live and remain a virgin.

    Hannah made a similar sacrifice when she turned her son over to the priestly direction of Eli for the rest of his life (1 Samuel 1:11). How many are willing to make such sacrifices? Actually, however, these tremendous acts of devotion were no greater than that which God requires of all Christians: to offer ourselves as spiritual burnt-offerings in service to God (Romans 12:1)."END QUOTE

    Really these New Atheists are clueless.

    The problem is they have too much contempt for religion & the Bible in general to even bother making a meaningful study of it. Hence they come up with all these lame polemics that convince nobody with an IQ of 3 or higher.

    Some advice. Stick to the commandments from God to slay the Canaanites or the Midianites for your polemics.

    This made up stuff about the Bible commanding Rape or human sacrifice....in short....not working for ya.

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  15. There is another superficial argument popular with "atheists". It states that even if God exists, the morality He dictates is so abhorrent to the atheist and inferior to the atheist’s own moral sensibilities that the atheist cannot believe in Him. And in the unlikely event that the atheist is ever confronted by God, he will refuse to acknowledge His divine status let alone His right to rule over Mankind.

    I find it very difficult to take this argument seriously. It’s not so much the Biblical confidence that "every knee shall bow" that makes me skeptical about this theoretical atheist machismo in the face of the Almighty, it’s the part about how even the demons believe . . . and tremble. I don’t know what it takes to make a powerful fallen angel shake with terror just thinking about it, but I have a feeling that neither Richard Dawkins nor Bertrand Russell will be wagging their fingers at God and criticizing Him for insufficient evidence on the day their disbelief is conclusively destroyed.

    The argument is totally specious from the logical perspective, of course, because the fact of God’s existence no more depends on the quality of His character than does Charles Manson’s. Things exist or don’t exist regardless of whether we wish them to be or not.

    Most of these "intellectually enlightened" don't seem to be able to grasp this basic logic.

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  16. The Whyman,

    Intelligent Atheists(i.e. Smith, Nagil etc which by definition excludes the New Atheists) would simply say the Argument from Evil(which is what this nonsense is when you sweep away all the crud & bad thinking) only calls into question the existence of the Biblical Judaeo Christian God & not a Deistic or Maltheistic God.

    Of course Reformed Philosopher Alvin Plantinga answered the Argument from Evil back in the 70's.

    So effective was it they had to redo the whole argument from evil. Since he did prove logically you could have a God who is both All-Good & All-Powerful at the same time.

    God Bless & Cheers.

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  17. You are quite correct. They cannot escape which is obvious to all.
    So how do they resolve their obvious obstacles?

    They redefine words and terms so that they can claim that "x" was what they were saying all along. (It reminds me of George Orwell's "double-speak)
    Now, they expect us to believe that atheism means (and always has meant) "lack of belief in God(s)" as opposed to the absolute denial of the existence of God.

    So many issues..so little space to cover in sufficient detail.

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  18. You two certainly are hilarious. "They?" Ah, the evil atheistic hive mind. Cracks me up every time.

    The same goes for your obvious Pascal's Wager's line of reasoning. Yeah, atheism is totally retarded. That leaves us with a choice between either the judeo-christian god and...wow, what a surprise - the judeo-christian god!

    I love you guys.

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  19. I love you too.

    A rational Atheist would have correctly concluded (by actually reading what we wrote)we where not bashing all Atheists. Just New Atheists.

    OTOH a New Atheist can't make that intellectual distiction. Much like the religious fundamentalist who can't tell the difference between Chriticising the excesses of Jimmy Swaggard vs irrationally dismissing the thought of either Aquinas or Calvin.

    Quite pathetic these New Atheists. They are in essense "Fundies without God belief" only twice as stupid.

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  20. But evilbible.com is still functioning. What are you talking about?

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  21. Ok, what's a "new atheist"? A newborn baby?

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  22. The strawman..another classic line of fallacious reasoning by the "atheist" who has run out of arguements, following by the #1 ad hominem.

    As for Pascals Wager, it is misused by Christians, but it is largely misunderstood by skeptics like Russell Nash above who feel the need to misrepresent the position and defeat that instead.

    Try this on for size:
    http://www.thewhyman.jesusanswers.com/whats_new.html

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  23. Just a nitpick, BenYachov. I consider myself to be a fundamentalist. The media and "atheists" give us a bad name by pointing to hypocrites and by misrepresenting what it means to be a fundamentalist Christian.

    The word fundamentalist was historically first used in 1920 by Curtis Lee Laws in regards to describing a Christian who stood for the historic core doctrines of the Christian faith:
    1) Inerrancy of Scriptures.
    2) The Miracles of Christ. (including virgin birth)
    3) The literal, bodily resurrection of Christ. 4) The substitutionary atonement of Christ. 5) The deity of Christ

    If you believe this, then technically, you are a fundamentalist Christian too.

    My advice: The broad brush covers more, but isn't nearly as accurate as the fine tip.

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  24. Mariano is merely pointing out Evilbible's fallacious arguments and ignorance of the context of the texts in which they use to condemn the Bible. The person quoting Judges above also ignored the fact that there is nothing in the passage that has God condoning any wrongful behavior. There is no "whoops!" about it.

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  25. You are right, Hustada. They -often deliberately- overlook the context of the passage and willfully forget that the historical narrative in scripture is often *descriptive* and not *prescriptive*.

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  26. Whyman, my blog seem accurate to you? I'm honestly curious.

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  27. Not really sure what this guy is trying to get at,
    don't you see the hypocrisy?:

    God says go rape those girls. God says don't rape at all. God says go take those girls for yourself (and kill the women who aren't virgins/unpure). But wait, God says DON'T RAPE!!!

    In other words the Bible is the written word of a bunch of barely literate, bloodthirsty, uncultured and incestuous fartheads, who sat in a desert arguing amongst themselves and basically anyone that didn't agree with them.

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  28. @anon
    God never commanded or approved rape. Never.

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    1. God raped Mary to make Jesus. Unless you think letting her know after the fact is consent. And unless you think a 13yo can give consent.

      The whole Jesus myth is based on rape.

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  29. By defending the most indefensible parts of the bible this blog is helping to bring the WHOLE bible into disrepute and causing the BEST parts of the bible to be thrown out with the WORST parts. See http://LiberalslikeChrist.Org/ which does the opposite, in an effort to preserve and promote what is BEST in the bible.

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  30. @Liberator

    Oh yeah, rev, esp. successfully defending indefensible parts is such a bad idea.

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  31. @BenYachov

    You rely on Plantinga for your arguments?? Oh dear, this is the Plantinga who can't do simple math, the Plantinga in whose world: "if we queried the inhabitants with some simple question, such as, "Is fire hot?", 50% would say no, and 50% would say yes." (http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009/05/alvin_plantinga_gives_philosop.php)

    How does Plantinga support the assertion that your god is all-powerful? If he is powerful, then, presumably, he can create a rock so heavy even he can't lift it. If he can't lift it, then he's not all-powerful.

    And don't give me the: "He wouldn't want to do that" argument, that's not a logical argument.

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  33. Hey Christian scum:
    Anybody who worships an evil God in the Bible has no morals. Look at your bloody Christian history.
    Hey Mariano you Christian scum explain this:

    Isaiah 45:7
    I form the light, and create darkness: I make
    peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

    Exodus 32:14
    And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.

    Joshua 23:15
    Therefore it shall come to pass, that as all good things are come upon you, which the LORD your God promised you; so shall the LORD bring upon you all evil things.

    Judges 9:23
    Then God sent an evil spirit

    1 Samuel 16:14
    But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.

    2 Samuel 12:11
    Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house

    1 Kings 9:9
    ...therefore hath the LORD brought upon them all this evil.

    1 Kings 14:10
    Therefore, behold, I will bring evil upon the house of Jeroboam

    2 Kings 6:33
    ...Behold, this evil is of the LORD;

    2 Kings 21:12
    Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Behold, I am bringing such evil upon Jerusalem and Judah, that whosoever heareth of it,
    both his ears shall tingle.

    2 Kings 22:16
    Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will bring evil upon this place

    CHRISTIANITY AND JESUS IS DEAD AND BURIED!

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  34. Hey Mariano:
    Would you blow Jesus dry?

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  35. Deuteronomy Chapter 22 Verse 28

    It says that if a man siezes a woman he must pay her father and then must marry her because he violated her. To violate someone meaning to have gone against their wishes. So basically, the Bible forces this woman who is violated (aka raped) to marry her rapist. I was abused and raped often as a child. I was actually a Christian most my life until while reading through the Bible I came across this afew days ago. No way I am going to stand for a god that wishes me to marry all those jerks who raped me or any other woman to marry theirs.

    And since finding that in the Bible I have been studying much now and finding other instances where the LORD himself tells his people to not only murder children and women but to steal the virgins. I HIGHLY doubt all those virgins throughout the Bible that had been taken against thier will who their captors took as wives ever wanted to marry those captors or especially condone intercourse with them, which would then be rape as well.

    There are MANY other cases of the LORD either allowing or telling his follower's armies to ravage and rape the young girls. Even afew verses that tell them to rip open pregnant women.

    Numbers Chapter 5 talks about a process done to women just because their husbands SUSPECT them of cheating on them. The women go through a strange ceremony. If you ask people that live in the middle east what that ceremony was used for you'd find it was a good method to cause women to mis-carry their children. The ceremony was so that if they were impregnated by another man the child would die but if she became pregnant and it lived that ment she was pure.

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  36. The Bible is a dirty disgusting book and all those that worship it especially Christian Fundamentalists are all trash.
    We should Place all Christian Fundamentalists with their counterparts from the Koran and let them kill each other off, the world would be a better place without this religious trash.

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  37. you all are again trying to save your doctrine with some other words,which is totally absurd.your point is totally baseless regarding god,so just get your ass off from evilbible.com!!!!Anyways i know that you too don't have a childlike faith in god so why are you just wasting your time making fucking blogs,check yourself where are you standing in your faith how u give silly condradicting reasons to yourself when you dont find things working according to bible in your life.Aaa....h whatever but bible itself is not a perfect book holding lots of contradicting words,idiot invalid theories,very less informatic, commuinal self centered doctrine.so just give up protecting your belief which is totally false and stop making such blogs.AMEN.

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  38. You don't comment about the best part of evilbible.com, which is the fact that it is mostly Bible quotes. The net effect of your complaint about which Bible quotes the author posts is to point out how self-contradictory the allegedly Divine author is. Apparently, God is very confused and moody - like a depressed adolescent - all loving kindness one moment, and in favor of rape and murder the next.

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  39. The problem with atheists is that they're responsible for the largest genocides in history.
    Mao Tse-Tung (China, 1958-61 and 1966-69, Tibet 1949-50) - 49 to 78 million

    Josef Stalin (USSR, 1932-39) - 23 million (the purges plus Ukraine's famine)

    Adolf Hitler (Germany, 1939-1945) - 11 to 17 million (concentration camps with Jews, homosexuals, Gypsies, Soviet POW's, and in some cases other innocent German civilians)
    *Yes,Hitler was an atheist but severely influenced by Hinduism.I challenge anybody who disagrees.

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    1. ummmmm Hitler wasn't an atheist. He definitely believed in God. He even said "Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."

      And Mao Zedong didn't kill in the name of atheism, he killed in order to gain more power over the lands.

      Only Stalin was an official atheist and attempted to rid of religion as much as he could

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  40. Who cares if the old testament has murders,rapes & robberies in them.They're not commands for christians to kill.If it was so then Jesus & his disciples would have been acting like Muhammad & his companions,going around killing & plundering.But that was not the case with Jesus & his disciples.Jesus is the supreme figure of the Christian Bible & his words overules & cancels any other Biblical figure.
    If you have a problem with Moses then take it up with the Jews not Christians.

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  41. The Aryan Hindus have committed the first historical genocide.They killed more than 18 million indigenous indian tribes.This is all recorded in the Rig Veda (sacred hindu texts).But it would be absurd if anyone blamed Buddha for the atrocities committed by the Hindu Aryan invasion.Buddha was born a hindu,lived as a hindu & died a hindu.
    Jesus was born a jew,lived as a jew & died a jew.
    Both were smart enough to take the good parts out of the old religion,discard the bad & start their own movement.

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  42. I just want to clarify that calling Hitler an atheist is speculation on my part but I'm 100% positive that Hitler was inspired by Hinduism.

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  43. Ten Signs You're A Militant Atheist:

    10.You support any view,group,dogma or organization that opposes Christianity,no matter how barbaric they might be.
    9.You get offended if Christians share their beliefs...Yet you Love to Preach why you don't believe in God
    8.You desperate to claim Einstein was an atheist but he clearly said "Evil is the absence of God" & "I'm not an atheist"
    7.Your face turns purple when you hear about the genocides committed by religious groups but your heart swells with pride when you read that atheists like Mao & Stalin holds the record for highest number of genocides.
    6.You claim Christians mock Hindus that deify humans but refuse to mention how Hindus also literally demonized the dark skin tribes of India that they massacred.
    5.You take any politician's claims & promises with a pinch of salt but believes Hitler wholeheartedly when he says he's a Christian,even if it's obvious that Nazism was inspired by Hinduism.
    4.You claim that America was not founded on Christianity even though Christianity was the dominant religion at the time the United States was established. That is, the majority of people who had a religion, were Christian.And Christian ideas were well-known; in literature, the Bible was oft-quoted, stories out of Christian legend were common, and so on. To be educated at all in the American colonies, by definition meant knowing Christianity quite well.
    3.You have sleepless nights trying to figure out why Jesus & his disciples or any other Biblical Christian for that matter did not commit murder,rape & robbery.
    2.You love living in a predominantly Christian country and will never migrate to a Communist country.
    1.You will take a Christians help & hospitality but will stab him in the back as soon as you get the chance. ie.You will support any view,dogma,organization or group that opposes Christianity

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  44. To true (non)thinker:

    The truth will set you free. The truth is that the bible is evil!. You're still using it and defending it. Wake up! Stop interpreting fairy tales from all the evil reality that throws itself at you from those cursed pages.How you can say that atheism is dead is beyond me.It's like me saying love is dead.It means nothing.Atheism is not a religion or an entity. It is simply the description of a general non belief in theism (god or gods). We that don't believe in god do not even need to be called atheists. We just simply don't believe in all the utter rubbish that the religions try and force feed us. Are we not free to do so. Why does it seem so obvious that the bible punching zealots would so like to see our freedom removed so that they can torture us again as in the past.

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  45. To Scorpio:

    Hitler wrote: "I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.." As a boy, Hitler attended to the Catholic church and experienced the anti-Semitic attitude of his culture. In his book, Mein Kampf, Hitler reveals himself as a fanatical believer in God and country. This text presents selected quotes from the infamous anti-Semite himself.

    So do all 'believers' swell with pride about these immortal words.

    There are good believers and bad ones. The same as with non believers. And your constitution preserves equal rights for all. Not just christians.

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  46. To Non-believer:
    Hitler was a politician & a mass murderer at that.Is it possible for a politician & a mass murderer to lie?
    I challenge you to show me any teachings of Christ or any examples set by Biblical Christians that has inspired Nazism.I can show you many examples that Hitler was inspired by Hinduism.Here's just a few.
    1.The Nazi symbol,swastika is also a hindu symbol called svastika in sanskrit.
    2.Hitler had a Hindu guru called Satrivi Devi as a Spritual advisor
    3.The Rig Veda describes lord Indra as being fair-cheeked & yellow hair & beard.Which other religious book has a blonde god,besides hinduism?
    Rig Veda10:96:8 the Iron One with yellow beard and yellow hair"
    4.Which god in any other religion has white friends?Rig Veda1:C:18The mighty Thunderer with his fair-complexioned friends"
    5,Which other religion has the words Aryan color in it?Did Hitler not see himself as an Aryan?Rig veda 3:34:9"..he smote the Dasyus, and gave protection to the Āryan colour."
    6.Which other religion speaks of killing black skins?Rig Veda 9:41:1. ACTIVE and bright have they come forth, impetuous in speed like bulls,Driving the BLACK SKIN far away"
    7.Which religion is the most racist?RgVda2.020.07 Indra, the slayer of Vr.tra, the destroyer of cities, has scattered the black-sprung servile (hosts); he engendered the earth and the waters for Manu; may he fulfill the entire prayer of the sacrificer.
    *This is why Hitler was inspired by Hinduism.

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  47. Non Believer said:The truth will set you free. The truth is that the bible is evil!. You're still using it and defending it. Wake up! Stop interpreting fairy tales from all the evil reality that throws itself at you from those cursed pages..."

    I say:Why are you quoting the Bible if it's so evil?
    "The truth will set you free" was first coined by Christ.
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    Non believer said"...the bible punching zealots would so like to see our freedom removed so that they can torture us again as in the past"

    I say:I think you're confused with militant atheism.No communist country has ever allowed freedom of belief or non-belief.Is it not true that you're currently residing in a predominantly christian country...free to reject & criticize christianity as you please.Unfortunately,miltitant atheism has never granted humanity the same privileges.

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  48. Non believer said:
    Hitler wrote: "I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.."

    I say:What Hitler believes does not make it true.You still have to show me any practices & teachings from the founder of Christianity & the first christians (a.k.a Jesus & his disciples) that would have inspired Hitler.Thus far,there's none.
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    Non believer said:
    As a boy, Hitler attended to the Catholic church and experienced the anti-Semitic attitude of his culture.."
    Yes,Hitler was raised as a Catholic boy.But there's still plenty of evidence that he did not follow the teachings of the church in his adult life.
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    Non believer said:In his book, Mein Kampf, Hitler reveals himself as a fanatical believer in God and country.

    I say:Mein Kampf was written before Hitler was in power.He needed the backing of Christians to put him in power.I repeat,I do not believe what any politician says in public about himself,unless it agrees with my findings.
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    Hitler was a christian because he said so.Great logic.
    So according to your logic,Muhammad was the last prophet of God because he said so.
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    Goebbels, Nazi Minister of Propaganda, noted:

    "The Fuhrer is deeply religous, though completely anti-Christian. He views Christianity as a symptom of decay. Rightly so. It is a branch of the Jewish race... Both [Judaism and Christianity] have no point of contact to the animal element, and thus, in the end, they will be destroyed."

    I say:The above statement agrees with my findings.Hitler did infact also persecute christians.There are many other anti-christian quotes from Hitler that was reported by those close to him.
    Now you might ask,why believe what others say about Hitler & reject his public statements?
    Firstly,Hitler was a politician.Yes,they tend to lie.
    2ndly,All his anti-christian quotes are from those who knew him well,those who lived with him.There's an old saying..you only know someone til you live with them.
    3rdly,His anti-christian quotes matches his persecution of christians led to 3 million of their deaths.

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  49. Keep in mind that Hitler's life resembled Muhammad's.
    When Muhammad first became a "prophet",he was pro-Judeo Christian.This was at a time Muhammad had less than 100 followers but after the hijra (flight to Mecca) when his followers reached thousands - he was now strong enough & in power.Muhammad no longer needed the help of christians & jews.So he massacred them.That's why you have pro-Judeo christian verses in the Quran & anti Judeo-christian verses.

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  50. No reasoning with imbaciles!

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  51. Non believer cannot refute me logically.So instead,he resorts to ad hominem.

    BTW...If you're going to resort to logical fallacies,then at least learn to spell properly.
    It's imbecile & not 'imbacile'

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  52. Sorry but the Hijra refers to Muhammad's flight/migration to Yathrib (Medina) & not Mecca.
    I just wanted to clear that up.

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  53. religion is purely here to control people and to scare them. there is NO hardcore evidence that there is a god, heaven, hell or anything else along those lines. i'm a "ex"-catholic if you will, and i have read the bible and i became so pissed off because i was lied to my entire life. the church or anyone else for that matter never mentions any of the sadistic, sexist, violent, and racist parts of the bible. all i ever heard all my fucking life was that "god" was merciful, unselfish, giving, all powerful and i believed it...until i read the enire bible myself. if the bible is in fact true, then "god" is a physcopathic, racist, sexist, selfish, needy, violent prick, and i want absoultely nothing to do with that bullshit anymore.

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  54. @ XAtheistX ......Its so funny how you haters can hate, say Christians are stupid and wrong about everything, but cant bring up some actual facts to back their statements............ That to me, sounds stupid and wrong...... I thought atheists have no religion.......so why bash people who do?!?! its not like youre trying to recruit people.......just let people be..... live your life, and ill live mine..........and when the end comes.....Then we can point fingers and argue bout whos right..........

    Live life, love life and stop being so angry yo!!!

    PEACE!

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  55. If people were unable to lie there would be no religion.

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  56. @XAtheistX

    Your comments were rude, crude and irrelevant to the arguments made on this site. I can see no reason why an atheist would make such comments unless they were an unsocialized teenager. OTOH, it would make sense for a Christian troll to make such remarks right at the beginning of the comments section as it provides fuel for the author's contention that atheists are, in general, horrible people.
    You do call yourself XAtheist, which I guess would mean that you are a Christian who thinks that they once were an atheist, at least as Christians wish to define the term. I find it ironic that the word was used to describe the early Christians because they did not believe in the Roman gods.

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  57. The trouble with the novel arguments on this site is that they rarely provide a checkable reference. When they do, the text appears to be ingeniously distorted to make it seem that it supports the apologist's contention.

    The Jephthah story is a case in point. It is quite a semantic stretch to argue that Jephthah failed to carry out the sacrifice that he promised the Jewish god and substituted it for a lesser one that did not involve killing and burning his child. It is an even greater stretch to dismiss Jephthah as "heathen" since he was obviously trying to worship the Jewish god. The ignored point is that the Yahweh god did nothing to protect the innocent daughter or indicate to Jephthah that he would not be pleased by such a sacrifice. Since he prevented Abraham from completing his dreadful act he was obviously quite capable of releasing Jephthah from his promise also. But he did not. What that says about the nature of this god is not flattering.

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  58. @Scorpio.

    You seem to be obsessed with the Hindus for reasons known only to yourself.

    Your contention that Hitler was influenced by Hindu thinking is interesting but weak. When there is such a plethora of evidence that both the German Catholic and the German Lutheran churches of the time were steeped in antisemitism there is no need to assume that there was any external influence. The SS army had belt buckles inscribed with the words "God with us" (Got mit uns) which makes it clear that they believed, as Hitler had said, that they were doing God's work in exterminating the Jews.

    If Hitler did, in fact, have a Hindu adviser (for which you provide no proof) then the words of this advisor would, at most, merely underline the Christian beliefs of the time. Whether you believe that these beliefs were based on the Protestant of Catholic Bible has nothing to do with whether the German churchs of the time believed that they did. Every generation in every country re-interprets its holy books to suit the prevailing morality of the times (or of the past era, if the person is conservative.)

    The killer for your argument is that, as far as I know, no reputable historian is on your side. It seems that your strange obsession with the Hindu religion has caused you to see influence where it does not exist. You might ask yourself how else it distorts what you see and remember.

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  59. This whole article is laughably insane. First off, how you can ACTUALLY try to downplay the FACTS that evilbible has presented showing many glorious contradictions in your all-perfect-book is beyond me.
    You try to say that the bible is perfectly ok being that it ALSO said that rape is bad-even though in many other proven occasions, it says rape's authorized. How silly can you be? All we Atheists have to do is find small problems with your religions(being that they are supposed to be PERFECT) and that automatically denounces the whole point of view.
    I cannot wait till the majority of the human population is Atheist. That day will be the biggest step for mankind.

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  60. There a lot of things in the Bible, both good(like the peaceful teachings of Jesus), grey(of many shades and sometimes even unrelated to religion) and evil(the condoning of agressive behavior, like rape, death sentences(for homosexuals, fortune tellers, etc.) and many other things.
    So, if our morals are based on the Bible(which I've read extensively, so don't you presume otherwise), every thing, no matter how evil, will be considered moral by us. On the other hand, if our PERCEPTION of the Bible is based on our morals, our reading of the Bible will only conform to our morals as we filter the bad thing described there.
    ...Let's have an example:
    We have a charity worker. That particular charity worker has worked in many orphanages, helping many children through sickness. However, this charity worker was found out to have committed mass murder.
    No matter how much good this person had done, the murders CANNOT be discounted.
    In a similar way, no matter how much good teachings of God there are in the Bible, if you consider the Bible as truth, then a person(or a god) who has killed all but a few people in the world (Noah), who killed all the first-born children in a nation, only because that person had sent an evil spirit to harden the pharaoh's heart do deny a claim that would otherwise have been granted, thus preventing the first-born's deaths, who burned two whole cities and a woman who looked back at her home, who asked a father to kill his own son just to test him, sent a person so suffer INFINITE punishment for (for example) refusing to worship him, and done many other things, could not, in fair judgement, be considered benevolent and kind.
    Evilbible.com merely expresses other side of the Bible, which few are willing to admit exists, though, I believe, it uses too much fervor at times - while Hitler was a Christian, that particular fact does not invalidate nor validate Christianity as such, in the same was as while Stalin was an atheist, that particular fact does not invalidate nor validate atheism as such. That is a form of association fallacy, basically guilt by association, one of the many argumental fallacies including the "strawman" fallacy and the "affirming the consequent" fallacy.
    I do not believe in the existence of God because of many things, but I will never say that the Bible is evil - it was created by many human authors, building upon and borrowing from stories from nearby religions, from the creation myths to the Jesus myth(which actually originated somewhere in India) combining it with their nation's history, culture and morals.
    But, if I ever receive conclusive, irrefutable and unambiguous proof for God's existence, I will believe.
    In short, I want to believe that something is true only and only if that thing is actually true.

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  61. if people really believed in GOD, heaven and hell, there is no freakin’ way they’d do the things they do. i believe you reap what you sow here. you pay here. however this beautiful planet was formed is amazing and it's beautiful and we ruin it. people don't take care of their bodies, it's a gift, every day we get, is a gift. when i die, i'll be cremated, but others will be worm dirt. your degraded body will appear again in another form, maybe a piece of grass, or be consumed by a animal, but we'll keep on going, in some form. i'm a reformed Catholic/Baptist/Lutheran, turned Atheist. finally at piece. i've been reading the bible. if it weren't entitled "bible", i'd think i was reading another Harry Potter novel, people living to be 900 years old, coming back from the dead, making the ocean open up, have to be a "male" before you can get into heaven, blah, blah, blah. if you wern't brainwashed as kids, or had SOMETHING ELSE to live for, you'd never believe that bunch of hoo, haa. oh yeah, OR you made your living (leaching) off of gullible believers, and people desparate to escape their miserable lives.

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  62. Islam is facing a similar problem but the difference is that the entire media is after it and Muslims are reacting over it and helping them cast an every worse picture :P

    The picture is so bad that im beginning to think that world warl & ll and even the cold war was due to them.

    Lets face it, if Muslims followed the Bible and wanted to impliment one of the Biblical laws , then they would still look brutal and backwards in the media.


    Deuteronomy 22:20-21
    New International Version (NIV)

    20 If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the young woman’s virginity can be found, 21 she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done an outrageous thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father’s house. You must purge the evil from among you.

    Jesus didnt abolish this law, anyone up for it???
    Tell you governement to pass the bill and see what happens.

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  63. The most active commenter here seems to be Scorpio... The thing that strikes me most in his comment is that he thinks Jesus was not like Moses which is correct but he doesn’t know Christians worked their ass off to prove the prophecy of Jesus through the verse that states a prophet will come and will be like Moses...

    "I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren like unto thee (Moses), and I will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him."
    (Bible, Deuteronomy 18:18)

    Say: "Do you see? Whether this message be from Allah (God Almighty), and yet you reject it, and a witness from among the children of Israel bore witness of one like him (Moses)...."
    (Qur'an, Al-Ahqaf 46:10)

    Prophet Muhammad’s ministry was for 21 years, war came after on the 15th year. Prophet Jesus ministry was for 3 years and had a hand full of followers. fight or not fight the result would have been the same for him so why fight so he didnt :)

    This is what scorpio had said above.

    scorpio said...
    Who cares if the old testament has murders,rapes & robberies in them.They're not commands for christians to kill.If it was so then Jesus & his disciples would have been acting like Muhammad & his companions,going around killing & plundering.But that was not the case with Jesus & his disciples.Jesus is the supreme figure of the Christian Bible & his words overules & cancels any other Biblical figure.
    If you have a problem with Moses then take it up with the Jews not Christians.

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  64. Correction

    Say: "Do you see? Whether this message be from Allah (God Almighty), and yet you reject it, and a witness from among the children of Israel bore witness of one like him (Muhammad)
    (Qur'an, Al-Ahqaf 46:10)

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  65. "for some odd reason, neglects to mention the most relevant biblical text related to the biblical view of and law about rape."

    Ayuh, you forgot to mention it yourself. Yet have the nerve to fault someone else for leaving it out.

    Probably because there isn't one. God not only indorses rape but commits it himself. Not only did Mary not even get so much as dinner, she was never asked if it was ok with her.

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  66. Very interesting line of comments, but the fact remains.......you will not find and atheist in a fox hole about to die nor on a hospital death bed. Having heard all kinds of stories from military men engaged in war, doctors, nurses and hospice workers I believe the statement about "no ahtiest in a foxhole" to be a very correct observation.

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    1. What a silly assertion. Of course there have been soldiers that have not believed in god. Just do a search for atheist soldier and you'll find lots of hits, over 10,000,000. What you will not find in a foxhole is a christian. "Thou shalt not kill," and "love your enemies. Do good to those that hate you?" Shooting, bombing, bayoneting, strafing, knifing, and otherwise causing death and injury doesn't sound like what the followers of Christ should be doing. I guess there are no Christians in the military.

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  67. You believe in the wrong god, heathen. Jesus isn't real, Zeus is.

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  68. Wow, you guys are nuts, lmao! I'm glad I'm not a Christian or an Atheist. Both sides hold too fast to their biased beliefs. I say we are all wrong. No one knows the true nature of God. These are books written by men, and their biased interpretation of what they think God is. I say love God and be kind. You don't need religion to understand that.

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    1. I'm an atheist. I'm not attacking your views at all. I completely agree with you! Religion is evil! Believing is not.

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  69. anonymous extraterrestrial

    It may be suitable for the argument to quote chapters and verses out of the current bible.
    Please check Deuteronomy 28:53 also Joshua 11:6 and Hosea 13:16 and Jeremiah 48:10 and Isaiah 45:7 & Exodus 20:24 and Hebrews 9:22 and Levecticus 1:9 wherein it is mentioned that God likes the fragrance of sacrifices i.e. likes the smell and aroma of Barbeque of meat and fresh meat burned alive! :) and many other verses.

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  70. I would imagine that you don't have much of a life and your probably not the happiest person on the face of the earth.I feel really terrible that this is the best that you can do with your limited intellectual capacity.I am so sorry to tell you that there is no heaven and jesus cannot do anything for you.You have chosen to become a loser in this world and it is extremely sad and it makes me feel anguish knowing that you devoted your life to something that is absolutely absurd and makes no sense whatsoever.I feel your pain.I am so sorry!!!

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  71. Oh, what a mess... I just suppose it's to show just how far humanity has fallen. I am a simple 13-year old Christian, but scrolling through most of this garbage makes me crack a smile. There is proof all around you, in fact, of Intelligent Design and history's founding on God. No matter how many attention-seeking lies evilbible.com spews out, all it takes is a little higher thinking. I've noticed it myself as I actually looked through so-called "contradictory" verses and totally found what the evilbible forum stated to be invalid. Though I am not sure if Hitler was a Christian, what difference does it truly make. It's like saying the evil acts of Osama Bin Laden was favored among ALL of the Muslim Faith. If you are even the slightest bit interested in hearing ground-breaking truths, I suggest reading or watching "The Harbinger." I don't care who you are and what religion or non-religion you find yourself in. Just try to convince yourselves these REAL events occurring in sync with both the Bible and today are "just coincidences." I'd just love to hear something that would go against or argue it. I'd find it to be quite the difficult task.

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    1. So you believe in a triune god who created the world in six days, impregnated a virgin with himself to suffer on the cross for the sin of the world which he created and cursed everyone with because a snake which he also created made Eve eat a piece of fruit. Completely logical. Not to mention he's all-knowing... He created the universe and the world knowing of it's outcome. The pieces don't fit. So, yeah. You know nothing and you probably have never read the Bible.

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  72. Example of Condrictary verse: Can one pray in public? (Matthew 6:5-6) Jesus condemned public prayer. (1 Timothy 2:8) Paul encouraged public prayer."

    Going back over these two verses, It's actually quite easy to find that Jesus did not in-fact "condemn public prayer." He simply went to say that praying to be a sight for others wasn't truly "prayer". Just doing prayer for others to see, and that alone. I believe He went to say that our full devotion, single individual's ACTUAL act of giving prayer out of our own heart to Him was "real prayer" in comparison.

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  73. That's Christianity for you. They'll do anything to cover up the atrocities in the Bible. How you gonna cover up the story of Noah's Ark and the Great Flood, which was mass genocide on a planetary scale by your all loving God. Of course it's the biggest BS story ever told. But that's Christians for you. If the bible said 2+2= 5 they'd believe it and wouldn't question it.

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    1. Attempts to "expose" what is exposing just doesn't work. They can't re-cover up what's been long uncovered. People are so stupid. Not you.

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  74. Sexism, homophobia, genocide, murder and rape are all in the Bible. I've known this even before I came to Evilbible.com. You cannot deny that the Bible advocates these crimes. Evilbible.com is still running and Atheism is not dead.

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