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6/28/09

Bill Maher the Jewish Zombie

The ever present Bill Maher controversy continued unabated on Real Time with Bill Maher (January 18, 2008 AD).

This year he jumped upon the bandwagon of ever mounting childish atheist talking points by referring to Jesus as a “Jewish Zombie.”

In typical form Bill Maher makes arguments from outrage, arguments from ridicule and argument for embarrassment in stating:
As a book of morality, it would be about last on my list. If I had a child, the last book I would ever give to teach morality would be the Bible, especially the Old Testament.

I can only imagine that he does not take them time to consider that, as opposed to so many atheist, the Bible places morality and lack thereof into context. His statements are tantamount to denouncing a newspaper for reporting the immoral activities of the previous day.

His guest, columnist Dan Savage, then does a good job of providing a virtual one stop shop for learning the same, old, tired, regurgitated without skepticism and ubiquitously discredited atheist talking points as he then launches into a barrage of condemnations:
People only pretend to read the Bible. Their eyes glaze over, and they remember a couple of passages that they ignore when they feel like ignoring, like "Turn the other cheek."And, then they, when they don't like somebody, they go flipping through this massive book, full of ancient desert prejudices, looking for something to justify it.

Just like they justified slavery using the Bible, because there are passages in the Bible that justify slavery, including passages that justify selling your daughters into sex slavery. Right there, that's Biblical, those are Biblical family values.

And so, we have this selective sort of reading problem with the Bible. If we're going to enforce it all, stone the gay people, but, you know, stoning the adulterers first starting with Newt Gingrich, and Rudy Giuliani, and John McCain...by the time it's my turn, they'll be out of rocks. [ellipses in original]

The first portion is simply childish—actually children have much more sense than this.



As for slavery; what the Bible was doing was reforming it and commanding protections for the “slave” (servant is generally more accurate). Moreover, it was in appeal to the Bible that slavery in America was abolished: it was the elucidations of the well versed and educated theologians who clarified the issue. That there are “passages that justify selling your daughters into sex slavery” is no less than utterly baseless and he conveniently neglected to cite book, chapter and verse. Yet, since we are dealing with atheist talking points Atheism is Dead has already discredited such baseless assertions in our post: Atheism, the Bible, Rape and EvilBible.com.

Why would anyone; Jew, Christian, or even atheist, think that anyone would or should seek to “enforce it all.”
This is an example of the unfathomable depths of a typical atheist misunderstanding and lack of knowledge of the Bible’s contents, concepts and contexts even at the most basic of basic levels.

The Bible’s every law is not to be enforced particularly when dealing with the, note the key word, Old Testament as that Old Testament was the old law for the Jews of olden days in Israel under the theocratic government in which they agreed to live.
So, even though Dan Savage savagely appeals to the Old Testament in mockingly asking why we do not stone the gay people and adulterers and Sam Harris argues that you can actually justify stoning adulterers from the New Testament they only discredit themselves by so very openly, loudly and proudly displayed the tremendous depth of their ignorance: this is pseudo-skepticism at its finest.

Never missing an opportunity to further discredit himself further Bill Maher chimes in:
And at least half of the Commandments are stupid...If you were going to make a list of like the ten things you absolutely can't do, wouldn't you put on there rape, incest, bestiality, slavery? But, instead, they have things like "Don't swear," you know, "Don't build statues to other Gods," obviously the ideas of primitive man living in primitive times, and this is what you look up to.

Bill Maher does not seem to consider premise, cause and effect chains of causation, etc. He also seems to be under a misconception about what the Ten Commandments are; he seems to think that they are the complete law. They are the premise of the complete law. There are various premises, overarching principles upon which the whole law was based.
When Jesus was asked, “Of all the commandments, which is the most important?”:
“The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no commandment greater than these.”
“Well said, teacher,” the man replied. “You are right in saying that God is one and there is no other but him. To love him with all your heart, with all your understanding and with all your strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself is more important than all burnt offerings and sacrifices.” When Jesus saw that he had answered wisely, he said to him, “You are not far from the kingdom of God” (see Mark 12:28-34).

Apparently, the Bill Maher school of Bible misinterpretation would say, “Wow, wait a minute Jesus! Show me where it says that in the list of ten!” I admit that if I have to choose between Bill Maher’s and Jesus’ elucidation of the issue I may have to side with Jesus ;o)



Interestingly, Bill Maher does not bother (as per typical atheism shoot condemnations first and do not even bother asking questions about premise later) providing a premise upon which to condemn rape, incest, bestiality, slavery or anything at all for that matter. In fact, he has made fun of little children that are raped by their parents.

The Ten Commandments where the first list of rules for a brand new nation. This is something that atheists such as Christopher Hitchens (see here and here) do not consider: the Jews had just been freed from four centuries of slavery in Egypt (have you ever heard of an atheist condemning Egyptian slavery? No! They just want to condemn Jews).
The Jews had been institutionalized by four centuries of slavery in Egypt.
God was literally building up a nation from the ground up and the building began with the Ten Commandments.
The Ten Commandments provide premise that God freed them from slavery, defeated the false gods of Egypt, that the Jews were not to make idols and serve them because this leads to the worship of the very false gods that had been defeated, the gods that commanded all sorts of unethical actions.
The Ten Commandments build from relationship with God to relationship with family to relationship with one’s neighbor to relationship with society. Specific condemnations of rape, incest, bestiality and slavery follow elsewhere.

It would be interesting if Bill Maher ever has a debate about the Bible and I do not mean a panel in his circus and amongst his amen chorus of adherents but an actual debate. Thus, far upon commenting on the Bible he discredits himself even further while leaving the Bible unscathed.

7 comments:

  1. I really would love to see that twit debate William Lane Craig or anybody else with a greater than 6th grade education.
    I do enjoy your site Mariano and was wondering if you would do a piece on the common atheist claim that the account of Noah is just a rehash of the epic of Gilgamesh.
    Godandscience.org did a piece on it a while ago yet i see it often put up along with Apolinos, the Euthyphro Dilema or anything else modern Atheists think is actually a new point rather than the same centuries old warmed over crap Bertrand Russel dragged out a generation ago.

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  2. Mariano wrote:
    >(have you ever heard of an atheist condemning Egyptian slavery? No!

    I hereby condemn Egyptian slavery!

    See?

    Seriously, whenever the opportunity has presented itself, over the decades, I really have condemned Egyptian slavery, Aztec human sacrifice, genocide by the ancient Israelites, etc.

    Some atheists, like nearly all Christians, are indeed cultural relativists.

    But some of us atheists most assuredly are not.

    Although, I am beginning to understand why the ancient Romans thought of Christians as lion food.

    Dave

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  3. Existence is a 'mystery' from which we draw sustenance. To believe ( by a leap of faith ) that it was created by god demystifies the mystery. To believe ( by a leap of faith ) that it was created by the big bang also demystifies the mystery. Both explanations are equally irrational. Atheism is the god-snake eating its tail. God is dying and so is atheism...

    Be warned, the survival of the fittest has started!

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  4. Anonymous: The Big Bang theory does not claim that the Big Bang 'created existence'. It is only an explanation of the observable expansion of the observable universe. Yours is a very common misconception. There are no 'leaps of faith', just tested theories that explain observations.

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  5. Also, scientifical (mathemical) analysis shows that the Universe did not need to be created, and some are moving from a Big Bang Theory to a Big Burst Theory, which would explain the unicverse is infinite, it had no beggining, and events like the Big Bang/Burst were no more than Universal Newyears or something.

    Bill Maher rules, I think I should pick more inteligent people too, but religious people made the people that Maher interviews stupid, they could have thaught them better, they don't get to complain.

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  6. Maher is a very angry little man. I believe his anger is rooted in his looking like someone beat him with an ugly stick.

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  7. With Bill Maher, there is always this simplistic tendency to want to explore faith and spirituality, in terms of things that are tangible, visible, simple...

    Maher's thesis is kind of like, atheism for morons, or religious philosophy 101 for 10 year olds. Not much deep thought in there.

    I think his way of thinking is akin to, "if I can't touch it or see it, and/or if I don't like it the idea of it, then necessarily it doesn't exist".

    Stupid!

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