Here's another one from a group of French atheists.
You know, I never in my life thought I'd hear myself say this, but I agree with Sam Harris. After watching that video, Sam has a point. If atheists hope to get anywhere, they are going to have to come out and try to put a positive spin on their beliefs. All I ever hear from them is about how Christianity/religion sucks. Well, you are certainly entitled to that opinion, but why should I bother coming to your side then? Essentially they can only say all other options are horrible, and we atheists aren't them. At least as a Christian, I can give reasons why my faith is a benefit to me without ever once mentioning atheism. I am beginning to wonder if any atheists can give a good reason to come to their side independent of mentioning anything about religion.
The anarchist symbol was interesting, but I think the az atheist's symbol is not meant to represent all atheists. If you would actually read up about anarchism, there have even been theistic anarchists and anarchism and atheism are two separate things. I think it's very dishonest saying that all atheists want no order or law, or that it inspires lawlessness. Another fact is that anarchism does not entail lawlessness or a lack of order at all. That's not true in the least. The studies by Phil Zuckerman make that claim obsolete anyway.
Thanks anon.,But I think you are mistaken in that no one, not AZ, not I nor my post, claims that the anarchist symbol is meant to represent all atheists. Thus, there is no dishonesty in the post.aDios,Mariano .
What is the symbol for disbelief in the Easter Bunny? I'm just saying......:-)Atheists want symbols? What are they a religion?;-)BTW that doesn't look like a Flying Spaghetti Monster....that CLEARLY looks like Azathoth!!Somebody call the Lovecraft Estate!! Copyright alert!!!I'm done good night & God bless!:-)LOL!
An atheist symbol would be more of a psychological thing than a scientific thing. It's true, the only sure connection between two atheists will be their lack of a belief in a god.But, ya know, in my experience, sometimes the only thing similar between two Christians is that they believe in a god.The symbol would exist as a way to identify someone who wont try to convert you or condemn you to hell. Where I live (Texas) that's something you have to worry about. Everyone here assumes your Christian, and if you say otherwise out loud it could put you in a bad spot at school, work, or in public. Sort of like how the Christian fish developed as a way to link people who believe in the Christian god in a time where that was dangerous, a symbol here could link people of similar (not the same) mindsets.You've got some misconceptions about atheism. Not that I blame you, I'm sure I have some misconceptions about Christianity.
I think the better word is non-theist. Atheism, as you've described it, does indeed cover many disparate ways of considering the many naturalist ways of seeing life and its origins, i.e. not the result of an effective will of some deity or higher power. Non-theism will always be at a disadvantage to those who see the world in simple binary, black and white, and easily explainable terms. Perhaps non-theists, of which I consider myself one, aren't comfortable with institutional dogmatic explanations. Science, at best, is not a dogma but a testable, refutable, and ever-changing continuum of knowledge. Naturalist explanations leave out much of the poetry and purpose that religion provides and maybe that's what makes it such a hard sell for many. Most non-theists aren't interested in changing the way religionists think about religion. What they are very passionate about is having the freedom to have it religion of their lives and the freedom and respect to believe what is in their own best interests. I can't accept the religious explanation: For the way I look at the world and process information, it simply doesn't work for me. You may not agree with that but if you love freedom you should support my privilege to do so. The irreligious want to be acknowledged and accepted both as a presence in society and as a political force. That seems fair enough, doesn't it?So, go on with your egoist explanations as to why I'm wrong, it doesn't bother me. Just allow me to be. Not much to ask.
Heather,I am sorry to hear about your difficulties in Texas.I empathize as I attest to you that the atheists/agnostics in my family are utterly intolerant of anyone who dares to think differently than they, they even imagine things to get uptight about when there is nothing there--it is very, very unpleasant to experience such militancy and narrow mindedness.aDios,Mariano .
People (religious and nonreligious alike) just hapen to like symbols, by and large. There's no point in reading too much into it.Sorry to hear about your uptight and intolerant family members. It sounds like you are experiencing the same thing that many (not all, but many) atheists have to go through with their uptight and intolerant family members who use their religion like a club to beat others over the head.Perhaps there should be a symbol for tolerance to unite everyone regardless of bbee or nonbelief who is wiling to be a bit more friendly about such things?Then again . . . maybe not. A symbol is only aymbol; it's the reality that matters more.
Amen Brother, A in amen being symbolic for ATHEISM and men in amen translating into all men and women are all created?? atheist, THINK ABOUT IT, Did you believe in god when you were two or three. So? God is a man made idea instilled into our children e.g easter, christmas......... .We are naturally by the law of nature born Atheist, more natural that way. We evolved as a species atheist until we asked ya WHY???? We where born freethinkers until. In other words god is unnatural. Going through the family hate thing right now, Well right this minute!!! Just passing through, Bye bye from Drunken Atheist.
Back again, jesus if he was real and what ever blah blah blah... was born a none believer, Atheist. Born with a blank hard drive. Just passing through, Bye bye from Drunken Atheist.
Commenting on the asterisk - the picture with what you call a "hidden upside down pentagram" is actually just showing that the asterisk can be drawn with one line, similar to a triquetra. The only reason there is a "hidden upside down pentagram" is because Mark Pursey thought five "arms" would be better than the traditional six in that "The odd number of arms means no one is in direct opposition to any other, discouraging... simplistic binary interpretations [good/bad, love/fear etc]." and "Five is a very human/natural number - five fingers, five toes, five senses, five major appendages."Not all atheist symbols are an attack on the other peoples beliefs or religious views. As you stated (in your own way), there are many different types of Atheists whether they adopt that title or not, as there are many different types of religions, many different types of believers within each religion, etc. Some believers are harsh with people that do not adhere to all the same beliefs that they themselves do, and some live and let live. Interpretation is great, yet taking something completely out of context is a little off-base.
Sorry if Ive killed the Blog above,I was Drunk. "ha ha ha" It seemed funny and worthwhile saying at the Time. Now that I look back on it. What dribble. Its true and I admit I shouldn't attack other peoples beliefs, But I have my own personal reasons for that and Ill try to refrain myself from doing it anymore in the future and Its true, If you show absolute disrespect for someone else's view point, Then why should they respect yours. In saying that, Dido for christians or any other faith too. Any way... Oh Boy, Doesn't get any better either and No I'm still intoxicated or on drugs, Although I did do some in Aussie. "Yep" anyway, I know this is off the main subject above, But can anyone please tell if Jedi's, yes Jedi's are Atheist or christians? I'm a bit confused as to who they are, I know I don't believe in god, angle's, heaven, jesus or any of the rest. So I guess that makes an Atheist. Not too sure if others interpret "Life Force" as god or not. I believe their is a personal life force with in all of us with out any doubt and even though personally I don't quiet believe in life after death, I have to admit, I believe death is a mystery? Which could interpret as leaning to a more Agnostic. No one really knows what happens at the point of death. Just know I have a absolute disbelief in god, bible.... Be nice to think theirs more without hindering education, science, history, politics..... I didn't realize religious people where threatened Atheists than any other group. Have had my own personal experiences with religious people and thats just a another story. Ive made an effort not to ridicule the religious today and I'll try tomorrow. Happy to any comment on this "Thanks"Bye bye from Drunken Atheist.
Hi. My Name Is Aaron Axe Gotty, I thought may be a apple in a circular design would be cool and ironic. Eve and the apple of knowledge? God threw adam and eve out because of this. Knowledge making god redundant? Knowledge is like a stake in the hart to god as it is to a vampire. Logic and commonsense "Knowledge" Apple a day, keeps god at bay. Apple for the teacher "knowledge" Newtons apple "Gravity"..."Jesus??" Blah Blah Blah..... Just throwing ideas out their.Atheist Farewell, Live Long And Prosper.
Betrand Russell's Celestial teapot makes a nice symbol.http://teapots-everywhere.blogspot.com/Ernst Nijsten Amsterdam
It would be nice to live my life without having to acknowledge the existence of religion at all, but everywhere you turn, there it is. One of the primary concepts, in my opinion, is to avoid the need to belong to some kind of a group to measure your net worth. I actually don't need to call myself an atheist or agnostic, I'm just a freethinker, a man of science.The church, speaking generically, is nothing more than a big clubhouse, where the religious members come to trade their not-so-secret passwords and gestures, such as kneeling, posing in a praying position, and looking upward to the sky. I really don't care what kooky things people do with their own time and money, as long as it doesn't impact my life in any way. Unfortunately, that's exactly what is happening, since churches are tax-exempt. Here in Los Angeles, property taxes are very high, and anyone not paying their share are infringing on others who have to take up the slack. How much of society is completely wasted supporting pure superstition? How many man-hours and dollars go down the drain before we say, "Enough is enough!" Huge, opluent church buildings take up an entire city block, paying nothing in taxes to support the infrastructure. The sheer magnatude of these businesses is an insult to the rest of us bending under the weight of trying to live within our budgets, with no concessions from the government.My beliefs don't cost a cent, either to me, or my neighbor. In some way, maybe it actually saves some money for the common good, since most time is spent on more productive activites.
Interesting that Mariano made no mention of Bertrand Russell's "Celestial Teapot" in his extensive list of symbols that were much more easily mockable. Mention of it only barely made it in through the diligent post of Ernst Nijsten in his comment, above. Indicative of Mariano having an agenda? I think so.
Atheist do not need a symbol like religious people. No atheist in their right mind will wear a chain with the atheist symbol or put it on the wall. Atheist are people who looked at all the religion in the world and what scientists had to say. Science allowed humans to be where they are today... I am writing on a computer that is hooked to the rest of the world by lots of different means thanks to science. Seated on a chair that allows comfort and productivity at the same time thanks of science. etc... etc... The choice of atheist was not hard. Believing in the same intelligent people that gave us all the science we humans have so far or believe what a old book said written years after every events. Lots of other arguments defending atheist belief could be discussed but the topic is still symbol.My belief is that individual atheist do not need a symbol. Why have one? Atheist are free from religious control, happy to have figured out who to believe. They are free to put their mind to something else, concentrate on more important things in life and to be at peace. Atheist do not a international official symbol because they do not care to represent their freedom in contrast to the religious incarceration.I agree that some groups will try to save others into joining atheisim. Some have felt high self-confidence when they came to a reasonable, educated conclusion. A feeling they try to push on others for the only reason that it "feels good to be smart". Those people will most likely unite and feel the urge of having a symbol to represent themselves. Why not? Have your symbol! (those are some the symbol described above). But remember that most atheist just DO NOT CARE. Why care to have a symbol?Now we have the last group of atheist that might require a symbol. This is the only important group. This group will fight for separation of church and religion. This is the group of atheist that is sick of religious principles and values to interfere in making laws on all levels. Take for instance, the millions and millions of dollars spent by christian churches to campaign on anti-gay reform in california last year. Whether or you are for or against gay rights, it is still religion interefering with the state. It happens all the time, abortion, stem cell research etc... These groups of atheist are often supported by atheist because laws should be established on the reasonable needs of people through logical thinking and not be interfered with thousands of year old beliefs that do not apply today.My conclusion is simple. Atheist will never have a unified symbol because they do not care to have one. They are above that. Some organizations will have one, the one that wants to help religious people into becoming atheist (other atheist don't care about them, most religious are blind) and the one who will fight against a religious state (often supported by other atheist as it affects their daily life). I took the time to explain why atheist do not have a symbol and why they will never have one. They do not care to have one. I hope my opinion will be read with an open-mind. Thank you
Atheism is not a choice. It is the way your mind works and what you subconsciously believe. You cannot force yourself to believe. There really is no positive to being an outspoken atheist. All you get is ridicule. You tell someone you are atheist and you might as well have said you worship the devil and sacrifice goats on your dining room table. Atheism is not accepted by the general population. Atheism is breaking free of the bounds of religion, and realizing what life is. Religion is a crutch for those afraid of death. It is there so the weak minded can live happily thinking if they are good they will die and go to heaven and live happily ever after.
Every person on this earth should read American Fascists by Chris Hedges. This book will make you very angry and sad at the same time.
Having to use a symbol for aethism is like needing to have a symbol for those that sleep on their back or pierce their ears. Who would need to declair with a symbol just something that simply is.
i am atheist and i dont think that religion sucks.i just dont understand it. and i am a person of science.not all atheists think that religion sucks or is dumb.
Why would Atheism need a symbol ? Atheist are individuals not a group. Unlike believers we do not need get together and order the masses. We are not a collective. We do not opperate out of fear. Individuals acting individualy without a purpose. I base my life on facts not belief. Facts are much worse then the Bible and do not provide a way out or redemption. Atheist live in the now and believers are the walking dead.
“However, I would, again, advice caution with a candle as an atheism symbol since it makes me want to say, “Indeed, atheism and the ‘science’ upon which it claims to rely do, in fact, hearken back to quaint Victorian Era concepts of abiogenesis, flies from meat, rats from laundry, cells are gelatinous blobs, universes from nothing or eternal uncaused matter, etc.”So, basically, the very ignorance that science has disproven and fanciful ideas that have be displaced by facts and reality is somehow supposed to be a point against science itself and Atheism? Interesting.“I think that the hidden upside down pentagram is a nice touch”While I am not certain as to what you are attempting to imply here, but I would guess you’re referring to the use of the pentagram as a “satanic” symbol; although it has fairly recently been used as such (and notably pushed by mainstream media to refer to the devil or evil in general), it started off as a much more benign symbol and yes, later as a Christian symbol. The first known use of the pentagram occurred in Mesopotamian writings (circa 3000 B.C. or B.C.E. whichever doesn’t get your knickers in a twist) to serve as a pictogram meaning “corner, angle, nook, or cavity,” typically shown with two points up. It was also used by the Greeks to symbolize the five classical elements- water, earth, fire, air, and idea (or “divine thing”). The Christian uses of the pentagram include the five joys that Mary had of Jesus (Annunciation, Nativity, Resurrection, Ascension, and Assumption), the five wounds of Jesus, or in Mormon temple architecture (specifically the Nauvoo Illinois Temple and Salt Lake Temple). In some interpretations of the Moroccan national flag, the pentagram represents the link between god and man. I could go on about this for a little longer, but I think you get the idea- the use of a symbol with so much connection to religion in general, and Christianity specifically, would seem counter intuitive for a universal symbol to denote Atheism. Oh, and very good points on the subject Danielle :) .
In general I would agree with Pierre - that most atheist wouldn't care to have a symbol and that some atheist groups might make use of a symbol - the evangelical atheists if you will, and activist atheists. But I would argue over the idea that individual atheists "are above that". Living in the bible belt, everyone assumes that I am christian and talks to me like one. I'm starting to crave something that I can have that let's them know to back off. I'd welcome something that would stop their assumptions. What would ward off the christians?
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I thought your entry here was pretty interesting. I am an Atheist. I suppose I don't go around ranting and raving like my counterparts because I am from a Christian home. I do not need a symbol, label, or even fellow Atheists to make feel justified for being an Atheist. I respect the fellow man for making his/her own decision on what they believe. I just don't think I need a bumpersticker, book, or pictures all over my house to remind me that I do not believe. I really wish people would accept each other's differences but that is not in the human condition. Welcome to humanity as we know it. Where there is approximately 6-9 billion people on this planet which all of whom have an opinion. Congratualations for having one and giving me an interesting read today.
i hate religions because it teaches us to be satisfied with not knowing ... why does the sun go away at night .... mmmm lets not look any further ... it must be god ... how can you still belive those bronze age belief ... how ... seriously ... how... would you like being taking care of by a healthcare service that would provide you only with the knowledge of the bronze age ?
Atheism in and of itself is not an organization, cult, sect, group, etc. It is exactly what it says. The prefix 'a-' means 'not' or 'opposite of' and a theist is someone who believes in a god or gods. An atheist, by its literal definition, is the opposite of someone who believes in a god or gods. Atheism is not a nonreligious person; Buddhism and Jainism are both examples of atheistic religions. This is the confusion that many people have of atheism.Nonreligious atheism is still too broad to lump as one group. There are many different outlooks and many different ways of thinking, and you cannot possibly bring them all together and classify them as the same. There are secular humanists (aka 'new atheists', activist atheists) who are actively oppose religion, and there are different levels of devotion to this. Activist atheists are not inherently against religion, but seek to give religion a role that does not affect any who disagree with that religion (such as separation of church and state). New atheists, on the other hand, are against religion in all its forms and fight to break its hold on the world entirely. I can describe each variation of atheism in detail, but I'd be better served to do that in my own blog.
"Joe said... You know, I never in my life thought I'd hear myself say this, but I agree with Sam Harris. After watching that video, Sam has a point. If atheists hope to get anywhere, they are going to have to come out and try to put a positive spin on their beliefs. All I ever hear from them is about how Christianity/religion sucks. Well, you are certainly entitled to that opinion, but why should I bother coming to your side then? Essentially they can only say all other options are horrible, and we atheists aren't them. At least as a Christian, I can give reasons why my faith is a benefit to me without ever once mentioning atheism. I am beginning to wonder if any atheists can give a good reason to come to their side independent of mentioning anything about religion." Well, Joe, atheists do not just bash religion, as you seem to think. We also promote investigation of topics we don't yet understand. We put value in real world proof and independent thought, rather than assuming everything we're told by an old book (which, quite frankly, does not match up with most Christians' expectations of it. Read your book of fairy tales yourself, and see what I mean). Some atheists may just attack your beliefs, but I (and many others like me) am willing to defend my views. At least I know what I'm talking about, and don't just go on the pastor's last five words. "BenYachov said... What is the symbol for disbelief in the Easter Bunny? I'm just saying......:-) Atheists want symbols? What are they a religion?;-) BTW that doesn't look like a Flying Spaghetti Monster....that CLEARLY looks like Azathoth!! Somebody call the Lovecraft Estate!! Copyright alert!!! I'm done good night & God bless!:-)LOL!"Are you saying you believe in the Easter Bunny as well as God? That seems to be what you are implying. But you bring up a good point. As children, many of us believe in the Easter Bunny and Santa Clause and leprechauns causing mischief on St. Patrick's Day. As a matter of fact, these characters play a more active role in our lives than God. I was brought up Catholic, but it was never real to me. I 'knew' that Santa brought presents every Christmas, because there were presents under the tree when I woke up the next morning. I 'knew' that the Easter Bunny hid eggs every year for me to find, because I found eggs when I went looking for them. I knew even then that nothing could exist in our world without having a presence and a place to live, and so I remember thinking that God lived in heaven and that heaven was on the top side of the clouds. At age seven, I started learning about space exploration and saw a picture of the Earth from orbit that showed what was there: white clouds, and no heaven like I thought there was. We grow up believing all these things, but as we mature and understand our world, we realize that they aren't true. Our parents and acquaintances help us with this realization by assuring us that they aren't true when the time is right. But when we see those people accepting God as true, we accept it as well and it becomes fixated in our minds, so that we go to great lengths in order to keep that idea valid to ourselves. Yes, we even deny factual evidence if it disagrees with what we want to believe. Except for the small percentage of us that are nonreligious.
I also notice that many of the theists on this page are picking at the insignificant side details like BenYachov and his comment on the FSM, rather than face atheists head on. Just figured I'd point it out.
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to me this class of thinking belief is totally incorrect, but I have to respect the space of others person, I don't have the right to force someone to believe in that I believe.
You are retarded and schizophrenic for believing in some invisible war-enabling fuckhead called god, and religion is even more horrible than the idea of god, read the bible and really think about the goddamn insane shit that's written there.. jesus christ ppl take ur head out you're ass. shit.
i'm an atheist for a reason, god does not exist, show me ANY reason to believe in any religion type god, or show me any reason to believe in any religion. You religion peeps are really batshit insane.
You know, my uncle, a catholic/methodist,(yeah, figure that one out) once made the argument to me that the bible, which is probably the most widely know collection of symbolic stories around, could, or rather should, be considered a historical book, because of its age and the fact that people used writing as a means of recording history. His argument, however has the obvious flaw that even during the time it was written, fictional works were also written. Is this to mean that every work of fiction ever written was also true?And who is to say that any one group of people is more right or wrong about their path to "salvation," or "nirvana," or what have you. Who is to say that God is more likely to exist than anyone elses deity or lack thereof?The answer is free will. If a deity did exist, free will would not matter, because the deity would know exactly where you would end up in the end. I view this as impossible. If i made the WILLING CHOICE to make a difference in the world, then at least some people beyond my friends, family, and aquaintences would know me. They would remember my name. Whereas if i made the choice to right now leave my home and live in an abandoned mine shaft for the rest of my life and never contact a human being again, no one, perhaps not even my own family, would remember me. And these are two very different outcomes from a choice of what kind of action to take. Therefore, I make the WILLING CHOICE not to believe, for if I did, my existence would mean absolutely nothing in the end. The only certain thing in the universe is that all things end. All that matters is what we do until that end.And I ask, why would anyone wish to bind themselves to a fate worse than death? Why would you make the choice to give up your ability to choose your path? To accept the plan as its laid out for you?
atheism > religion. The end.
Atheism is Dead? Funny atheism has been around longer than any religion and will be around even after mankind is long dead and the next thinkers in evolution come into existance on whatever planet in space and time. Today, atheism is growing faster than any religious belief to date. Don't know who got their Cornball information when they made the topic "Atheism is Dead". Maybe from some Christian site...lol.
the beauty of atheism is that it dissolves the need for an explanation and gets you on with exploration
Atheist hmmmmmm I Rebuke in the name of Jesus Christ,So they dont believe in God so how did they get here...through monkey or apes...so how did the apes nd monkeys come about...hmmmmmm exactly,Hello read the Bible people...How do you want to see His Glory and receive blessings if you dont believe...How do you want blessings and miracles if you dont have faith... May the Lord have mercy over ya...I am a proud Christian and if people dont believe in God...why are they always calling on him...mentioning him...dont you see they cant be without the Lord almighty The creator of everything that you see and dont see...God is on your money on the movies you see and the anthem of the United States...Hello in God we trust...If you read the Bible and ask God to help you to understand with believe and faith then you will see...Keep far from a false charge,and do not kill the innocent and righteous,for I will not acquit the wicked EXODUS 23:7...and because you havent believed you have been judged already so you wonder why things happen to you but until you dont believe and have a true intimacy with God you will go through ups and downs regardless because He is God............so you been judged already for not believing and it says it in the bible......John 1:12 and Acts 10:43.....and so I have a question then...........if atheist dont believe in God then why is Gods name mentioned so many times by our own mouths? Who made the monkey? Who made the tree? who made the wind and all that is in it? And since you guys dont believe in God then why are you using nature and God's word to contradict yaw self on what you do and do not believe? Read Job chapter 20-30 so............i dont know about you and I know what God has done for me cuz i wasnt even suppose to be alive but i believe i am here for a cause- a purpose and God isn't limited there is nothing imposible for him. so there for if you want to keep not believing that is on you because there is a heaven and a hell, and you will see on judgement day cuz all knees shall bow and confess that He is the Lord the Son of God because they will see Him face to face and God will tell you since you denied me when you had a chance on earth therefore now I do not know you and you will be taken to the gates of Hell because you denied God when all this time you had a chance on earth but my lovely organized God doesnt obligate no one to accept Him as the one and only Savior Jesus Christ cuz you have a choice to choose from right and wrong. and what God started it will come to an end because when men sinned they knew they were naked cuz they disobeyed God so therefore they jumped into Kairo time because they cannot be in eternal life because if God would of left all that power to men on earth plus them sinning this world would be even worse, and that why in Genesis 6:6 God repenteth that He made man on earth because of sin, but many say he repented to make him on earth so it would of been better if God would of made man in heaven and that is why the angels in heaven wish they could be like us because we have an opportunity to eternal life and for us to choose it but all I can do for those who dont believe in God is to pray for them eventhough you dont believe in God and yes i believe in prayer it is the key through Jesus Christ to get to God cuz John 14;6 say I am the way, the truth, and the life and no one goes to the Father except by Me. so I wish you the best and that God have mercy over you and bless you and that one day you may underdstand who God really is, God bless you, and stay blessed not condemned! May the piece of God be with you! :)
The reason his name is mentioned so much is because we have to! What else would we be against?? We are for the science. Monkey and apes and things similar to which we are related came from micro organisms. It's alot easier to believe than some man in the sky. And not only easier but there proof in science. Don't hate atheism. Maybe if some people would look into and reasearch and broaden their mind they would understand. People are ignorant, but it's not their fault they were raised that way.
Atheism may or may not be dead.
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