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4/17/09

Atheism, the Bible, Rape, EvilBible.com and Dan Barker, part 1 of 6

Please note that this series has been republished beginning here.

12 comments:

  1. Like I told one of the usual suspects, if I lost my Faith & Belief in God tommorow. BASED on my studies & knowlege of the Early Near East & the interpretation of Jewish Law I STILL would conclude the claim the Bible authorizes Rape to be a Joke.

    That is how bad that case is so deal with it.

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  2. Ben I agree, to be honest if atheists were smart they would concentrate on the reasonable difficulties in the Bible, ones that could be supported, but the rape thing is not going to afford them any traction.

    If I was an atheist and wanted to push buttons with Christians I use the ten or twenty things that give Christians fits, such as Noahs Ark, Jonah and the whale, Abraham and Isaac, Ananias and Saphira. Here I am giving atheists ideas now. And they still don't get it.

    The rape thing? I just don't see it.

    aDios,
    Mariano

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  3. .

    In this larger paper on homosexuality, I deal with rape, quoting from:

    A Natural history of Rape: Biological bases of Sexual Coercion; The Blank Slate: The Modern Denial of Human Nature; Darwin’s Dangerous Idea: Evolution and the Meaning of Life;

    http://religiopoliticaltalk.blogspot.com/2007/11/romans-natures-infuence-on-political.html

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  4. Mariano you are a mental midget at best devoid of an intellectual capital.
    Anyone who believes in talking snakes, ghosts impregnating women and demons flying around with pitchforks is mentaly unstable. Athiesm is not dead, the only thing that is dead is the gray matter between your ears.
    Christianity is not only a lie because Christ failed to retun as he promised in the lifetime of his apostles it is a mental disease!

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  5. It wasn't thought of as rape in the Bronze Age because women were little more than livestock or chattel. A farmer wouldn't ask a cow if it wants to be slaughtered or artificially inseminated, would he? Well back in those days if a woman was comely and you wanted her, you wouldn't have to ask. This still happens in selected communities around the world.

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  6. How can you say that there is no foundation for the rape issue? Have you read Deuteronomy 20:14?

    “As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the LORD your God gives you from your enemies. – NIV

    What do you think is meant by plunder?

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  7. Atheism's the real disease Dan, why don't you read about the cold war and find out yourself how an atheist government nearly caused the
    apocalyse. So before you try helping Mariano with the speck in his eye, be sure to take the beam from thine own eye.

    by the way if you actually read the bible on Christ's return he said he was going to arrive when the world ends, read revalations and see. If the world hasn't ended yet how can you say he failed?

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  8. Hi, everyone. Right now, I just have one burning question for any of you apologists. For the record, I have been searching for an answer to this question for quite some time now, and I still have yet to find any good, solid answer to it. So here it is: all I want to know is, what is your official stance on the proper interpretation of Isaiah 13:16? That's all I'm going to bother asking for now, because every time I try to look this up, all I can ever manage to find are a few short, contradictory statements that don't add up, posted on web pages were no comments are allowed to be made in response. So does anyone here care enough to be the very first one to get this right for me, and for anyone else who might be wondering about this too? Any attempt would be appreciated at this point. Thanks in advance, even though I suspect there won't be any Christians responding to this post. But we shall see.

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  9. I would agree, you probably won't get any Christians responding to it. I am not a Christain, and I do not have an answer for what this particular part of scripture means. But I would like to know something. Why do you only want to know what that part means? Not the whole prophecy of violence that it is in context with? Putting things in context can help you understand it better. Also, it is a prophecy in the Bible but is it CONDONED by God or is it just stated? Is it ORDERED or is it passively stated? From the looks of it I would say that He ordered this. And I would say it is, if not rape and murder, violence at the least. So, I hope I at least helped since no one else has yet.

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  10. I Hope I can shed a little light on Isaiah 13:16. What is being explained here is prophecy. There is being foretold what will happen in the future, and Babylon in this context is not referring to the city or empire. This is referring to confusion. Possibly even in concordance with Revelation 16:19 and the Babylon stated there. When reading the whole chapter it seems as though not a deceleration of what Isaiah saw the Israelites doing but what happens at the end of times when Satan and his armies are fighting to brink more souls to Hell with them.

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  11. Hi, looking at Isaiah 13:16 can be a bit tricky. The previous comment is correct in that Babylon is not referring to a particular city or empire. Reading through chapters 13,14, 46-47 you can see that Babylon simply refers to any power independent of God.

    Now the verse in question is just a vision of a prayer being answered. Isaiah 13:16 states: "Their little children will be dashed to death before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked, and their wives will be raped." Compare this with Psalms 137:7-9 where the psalmist prays, "O Lord, remember what the Edomites did, on the day the armies of Babylon captured Jerusalem. “Destroy it!” they yelled. “Level it to the ground!” O Babylon, you will be destroyed. Happy is the one who pays you back for what you have done to us. Happy is the one who takes your babies and smashes them against the rocks!"

    Now this prayer is shocking! Many would say that this is condoning Christian Jihad, or "Holy War." However, a Jihad is where humans go to fight for God. Here, the psalmist asks God to execute vengeance against their adversaries. The psalmist calls on God, not humans, to act. It was not unusual for the psalmist to pray for the violent destruction of his enemies as a manifestation of divine justice.

    Divine justice is defined in Psalms 1:6, "For the Lord watches over the path of the godly, but the path of the wicked leads to destruction." God loves the righteous and destroys the wicked. The wicked are subversive, corrupt, and thoroughly committed to evil. They live in opposition to God and to everything that He does.

    These prayers for vengeance towards the wicked came from the psalmists concern for justice and confidence in God. The psalmists never called for vengeance on anyone that they could get along with. Keep in mind that these writers were intimately acquainted with grief. They had suffered and been oppressed by bullies, leaders, and kings from inside and outside of Israel. Their prayers were full of faith and hope. They were just asking for God to give to the wicked the same suffering that they had endured. I hope this helps.

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  12. Wow why so many haters? I like watching these guys defend evilbible as if it's unrefuted thanks alot for this series I think I can see for myself who actually does research thanks alot mari.

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